Episode 204
Wet Hot American Summer (2001) with Altmania podcast
So sit back, relax, and join Lotp, Este, and Ryan as they celebrate the summer vibes, campfire shenanigans, and comedic brilliance of Wet Hot American Summer, reminding us that it's Wain's world, and we're just living in it.
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evan: Hello and welcome to Left of the Projector. I'm your host, Evan,
Speaker:evan: back again with another film discussion from the left.
Speaker:evan: You can follow the show at leftoftheprojector.com, as well as leave a rating.
Speaker:evan: It would be much appreciated.
Speaker:evan: This week on the show, I have the hosts of Altmania. I have Este and Ryan back
Speaker:evan: again. Thank you for being here today.
Speaker:Track 3: Hello.
Speaker:Track 2: Thank you.
Speaker:evan: Yes.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah, it's a treat. Yeah, we're delighted. Thank you.
Speaker:Track 3: You have to be back in the projection room, the booth. I don't know if you call it that.
Speaker:evan: No, that actually is, that sounds, that's catchy. Back in the projection room.
Speaker:evan: Like that's where you would.
Speaker:Track 3: Back in the booth.
Speaker:evan: Back in the booth. But yeah, so we were, I asked you to come on and we were
Speaker:evan: talking about like summer movies.
Speaker:evan: I don't know exactly, maybe I just was just throwing movies like at the, in the wind.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah.
Speaker:evan: And we landed on, as you can tell, we're discussing Wet Hot American Summer,
Speaker:evan: which was released in 2001, directed by David Wayne.
Speaker:evan: It has, I'm not going to read the entire cast because I'll be here for like five minutes.
Speaker:evan: You're reading how many people are in this film, but it's a stacked cast and
Speaker:evan: so I guess I'm just curious, well, actually before we even talk about the film,
Speaker:evan: remind everyone about Altmania, maybe what you're doing now on the show.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah, yeah, Altmania. We're in Demi mode right now, so our show is ostensibly,
Speaker:Track 3: it's about the films of Robert Altman.
Speaker:Track 3: as we say you know we talk about them in their context how
Speaker:Track 3: they speak to today um and we
Speaker:Track 3: finished up altman just about a year ago now and i think when we were last on
Speaker:Track 3: we were just about to start on our alan rudolph series who was like a friend
Speaker:Track 3: and like protege of altman we've finished that since and we are now like just
Speaker:Track 3: getting started on our uh series looking at the films of jonathan Demme,
Speaker:Track 3: who through an interview that we just did with the son of Robert Altman and
Speaker:Track 3: like frequent camera operator,
Speaker:Track 3: found out that the two of them actually were good friends.
Speaker:Track 3: And so kind of through coincidence right before we started, there was a connection.
Speaker:Track 2: We couldn't really find anything linking them in our research,
Speaker:Track 2: but we were talking to one of his kids, Robert Reed Altman.
Speaker:Track 2: And yeah, he was like, oh, they were really good friends. And we were like, oh, awesome.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah, perfect.
Speaker:evan: It's funny that they never came up anywhere.
Speaker:Track 3: We just kind of figured he fit the vibe. I know.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: Like we already are seeing a lot of similarities and stuff.
Speaker:Track 3: Like a film we just talked about, Citizens Band, felt very Altman-like.
Speaker:Track 3: Like it feels like we're right at home.
Speaker:evan: I was looking at his films and I've embarrassingly have not seen a ton of them, actually.
Speaker:evan: I feel like I've seen like the big ones, you know, Manchurian,
Speaker:evan: Canada, Philadelphia, Silence of the Lambs.
Speaker:evan: I think I saw Beloved. But a lot of that I have not seen.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah, that was mostly the same with me, too. Like I had seen KGT and then like all the big ones.
Speaker:Track 2: And it was a similar thing like going into Rudolph. Like I think we had both
Speaker:Track 2: only seen one of his films.
Speaker:Track 2: But that's kind of part of the fun of it is like exploring and discovering stuff as we go along.
Speaker:Track 2: I feel like if we kind of knew everything that way, like it wouldn't be as fun.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah, it's it's sort of like in our research. We're like, oh,
Speaker:Track 2: look at this cool thing we found or like Citizens Band.
Speaker:Track 2: It literally is. There was one article where they described it as Nashville-esque,
Speaker:Track 2: and it literally is like a rare Nashville-esque 70s ensemble comedy that most
Speaker:Track 2: people, including myself, had never really heard of.
Speaker:Track 2: And the cast is—it's really funny, especially for a film from almost 50 years
Speaker:Track 2: ago. It holds up pretty well.
Speaker:evan: Yeah, I'm going to have to— Yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: It's been a blast. And he started out with the Roger Corman kind of part of
Speaker:Track 3: Hollywood, which we hadn't really ever gotten into.
Speaker:Track 3: So that's been super fun to look at those exploitations.
Speaker:evan: Is KHT his first film?
Speaker:Track 3: Ooh.
Speaker:Track 2: He has like four firsts.
Speaker:evan: We've been talking about this.
Speaker:Track 2: He has the most first films of any director we've done so far.
Speaker:Track 2: At least three, I think. Maybe four.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah, he had started out writing, and then I believe KHT was his first director.
Speaker:evan: Okay, so his first director.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: It was kind of a weird, like, climbing the ladder until he graduated the Corman
Speaker:Track 3: School, which is where we are, like, right now on the show.
Speaker:Track 3: We're about to do a Columbo episode that he directed, so that'll be really fun. Got a Columbo.
Speaker:evan: Yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: Citizens band didn't do so well so he's sort of licking his wounds and going
Speaker:Track 2: to the slums of television.
Speaker:evan: When it comes when it came
Speaker:evan: to wet hot american summer i think you both had seen it
Speaker:evan: obviously seen it before did you have like uh
Speaker:evan: like what's your maybe i don't know history of the film sounds like uh sound
Speaker:evan: maybe too much but just like yeah do you remember the first time you saw it
Speaker:evan: or like do you have a memory of it it seems like this uh for me it's like this
Speaker:evan: trapped in movie that kind of like trapped in time where i don't know do.
Speaker:Track 2: You want to go first.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah yeah well i think i don't
Speaker:Track 3: remember when i first saw this movie honestly i feel like
Speaker:Track 3: i've always just like have seen the movie like yeah it's weird i maybe it's
Speaker:Track 3: so long ago i went and dug out because i had this like stella dvd i think i
Speaker:Track 3: got this like in high school like i i've always really liked david wayne and
Speaker:Track 3: like uh i don't know that him and like michael sowelter and uh he's.
Speaker:Track 2: My favorite wayne's brother.
Speaker:Track 3: David oh yeah yeah my my username
Speaker:Track 3: right now is fountains of wayne with an eye that's my
Speaker:Track 3: bit um and then yeah i was at the blu-ray here
Speaker:Track 3: too that i it's very nice it's very nice blu-ray um yeah i don't know yeah i
Speaker:Track 3: think maybe i saw role models or something like and but i'd seen stella on comedy
Speaker:Track 3: central and like i don't know i got around to it at some point but yeah i mean
Speaker:Track 3: And I've always really liked it. And it's really funny to see, especially like,
Speaker:Track 3: i don't know people like bradley cooper who like i think just not long before
Speaker:Track 3: this he was like on like inside the actor's studio being like i'm gonna be a
Speaker:Track 3: big actor one day talk to james lipton or whatever.
Speaker:Track 2: You could see him in the crowd of an inside the
Speaker:Track 2: actor's studio and also there's a rare like taped performance
Speaker:Track 2: of ucb like they uh perform they taped
Speaker:Track 2: themselves doing a herald and it's like uh amy poehler
Speaker:Track 2: and uh whatever ian edwards a bunch of other people um but
Speaker:Track 2: yeah and so um and you can see him in the crowd of
Speaker:Track 2: that as well yeah yeah
Speaker:Track 2: i went to high school
Speaker:Track 2: from like 2002 to 2006 basically and
Speaker:Track 2: i remember i had a friend in high school daniel who like showed me this movie
Speaker:Track 2: so it would have only been out for a few years which makes sense because it
Speaker:Track 2: was clearly a movie that like not a lot of people went to see when it like originally
Speaker:Track 2: came out which is a shame i i mentioned this this is my most logged film on letterbox,
Speaker:Track 2: it was my fifth log which like doesn't include all the times i watched it pre-2019
Speaker:Track 2: so yeah and i i i uh i re-watched the prequel series as well and i started watching
Speaker:Track 2: the 10 years later uh miniseries on netflix they're pretty good i.
Speaker:evan: Was actually surprised when they came out like i'm not having like very high
Speaker:evan: expectations, but kind of surprised by them.
Speaker:evan: I think I was trying to think about when I had seen it the first time.
Speaker:evan: And my memory that I have is in college, someone I knew had a bunch of VHS tapes
Speaker:evan: of the state and I had never heard of it because this,
Speaker:evan: that was, I was way too young, I think, to have watched it when it was on TV
Speaker:evan: and like, oh, let's watch these VHSs of the state. I'm like,
Speaker:evan: all right, I've never heard of the show.
Speaker:evan: And then I remember buying it on iTunes, like back when people would buy,
Speaker:evan: you know, movies on iTunes and shows, not the whole series, Cause each one was
Speaker:evan: like a buck or two. So I bought the first, I don't know,
Speaker:evan: four episodes or something. I think there's only maybe 25 at most of them.
Speaker:evan: And thinking like, oh, like, this is cool. Like, what else did he do?
Speaker:evan: And then that led me to, oh, well, he did what on American summer,
Speaker:evan: which you mentioned was a bomb.
Speaker:evan: It was only made $300,000 on a just under $2 million budget.
Speaker:evan: So total, total bomb out, especially given how many just star current stars are in this film now.
Speaker:evan: And yeah, and I just always been, I don't, I don't think i had a letterboxd
Speaker:evan: that early but i would imagine this would be at least i probably watch at least
Speaker:evan: i've watched it three times in the last month but i probably watch it you know.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah many.
Speaker:evan: Many times so it's uh.
Speaker:Track 3: One thing i really loved about the prequel series was just the bit of like they
Speaker:Track 3: are all supposed to be the same age they are in the original.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah commitment.
Speaker:Track 3: To that especially michael showalter who just looks.
Speaker:Track 2: Like michael showalter one of the bravest on-camera
Speaker:Track 2: performances i've ever seen like does not look
Speaker:Track 2: i mean yeah i mean because not
Speaker:Track 2: only the wig and like the clothes but also then he puts on
Speaker:Track 2: the choker and then like the fork pie hat looking like but
Speaker:Track 2: and then there were just like long cakes of him just like looking like
Speaker:Track 2: absolute i'll just say very funny looking right
Speaker:Track 2: but yeah it's it's it's certainly a comfort movie
Speaker:Track 2: for me uh like it feels like
Speaker:Track 2: it's just like a go-to i can laugh and yeah like
Speaker:Track 2: the the thing about like the pre people i kind
Speaker:Track 2: of like took my time before i got to them because i didn't want
Speaker:Track 2: to like i don't know i have such fond memories of the original film but it's
Speaker:Track 2: the thing about i was going to mention um the seinfeld episodes whenever like
Speaker:Track 2: they have jerry stiller just play like a young version of himself and it's just
Speaker:Track 2: him in fatigues with all these young guys that's it's a great bit yeah it's super funny yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: It never gets old yeah i wanted to know did you guys go to summer camp growing
Speaker:Track 3: up i was i was curious about this because i never did.
Speaker:evan: So i did go to summer camp for for
Speaker:evan: like a few years and that was
Speaker:evan: sort of this is one of the things i was looking at to go
Speaker:evan: to summer camp and the thing that i was thinking about was when i
Speaker:evan: was i don't know like 13 or something you would see your
Speaker:evan: counselor would be what 17 at most like five years
Speaker:evan: older than you and the way that i remember them as being
Speaker:evan: just like super old people like they're just like really old
Speaker:evan: adults somehow but so in a way it almost kind of like makes sense in my mind
Speaker:evan: the way i like perceive the fact that they're what they're 25 playing you know
Speaker:evan: 17 year olds or 16 year olds or whatever it is i just think of it as like that's
Speaker:evan: how the kids looked at them almost like.
Speaker:Track 2: They saw them as.
Speaker:evan: These like really old people and obviously it's still just a funny bit and joke
Speaker:evan: but that's just kind of the way i think of it in my brain.
Speaker:Track 2: I never went to camp but i like i would play sports in the summer and i did
Speaker:Track 2: go to like golf camp but it wasn't like an overnight like I wouldn't stay there
Speaker:Track 2: it was just like a couple summers maybe three summers I would just go to this golf course.
Speaker:Track 3: During the day play.
Speaker:Track 2: Golf all day yeah so i i suck i haven't played in forever but i'll always have
Speaker:Track 2: a competent swing but yeah no summer camp for me i think my mom was like too scared you know.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah i grew up in the pacific northwest and like there's got to be summer camps
Speaker:Track 3: around here but yeah it was just never a thing uh for anyone i knew like my
Speaker:Track 3: sister went to one with a friend,
Speaker:Track 3: and i think they even went to like idaho or something they didn't even stay
Speaker:Track 3: in washington I think it's like a Northeastern thing.
Speaker:evan: I mean, I'm not saying that there's no camps in the country,
Speaker:evan: but it feels like this, like this takes place in Maine, but they film it in
Speaker:evan: Maine or whatever. It takes place in Maine.
Speaker:evan: And so, I don't know, maybe that's just kind of the, it's more of a thing. I don't know.
Speaker:Track 3: Two people that I know that like are friends of mine that went to summer camp.
Speaker:Track 3: I hope this isn't like offensive, but they're both Jewish and they're both from
Speaker:Track 3: other states. So I don't know if it's like a common thing in like Jewish families, but yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: I was going to say, like, yeah, I'm lucky because I grew up in Texas.
Speaker:Track 2: So I'm lucky because if I did ever go to a quote unquote summer camp,
Speaker:Track 2: it probably would have been like heavily religious. And like, right.
Speaker:Track 2: I would have been like running away or vacation Bible school.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah. And thankfully, I never had to was submitted to anything like that.
Speaker:evan: One interesting, too, that I was thinking about because I watched the documentary,
Speaker:evan: which is basically just behind the scenes footage of what they recorded film.
Speaker:evan: There was some interviews and some funny, really funny stuff. like
Speaker:evan: they're all drunk pretty much the entire time and but
Speaker:evan: i was thinking about like wayne went to like a jewish summer camp
Speaker:evan: and a lot of these were scenes and like things
Speaker:evan: that actually happened to him i was actually i said i don't know if i believe all
Speaker:evan: of that but that's what he says like the van
Speaker:evan: crashing apparently he actually did that like he crashed the
Speaker:evan: van coming back to see a girl at camp but i
Speaker:evan: was thinking it's like he could have made the camp be like a jewish camp but
Speaker:evan: he decided to just kind of it just they like have the joke later when junior
Speaker:evan: graffalo is like naming all the jewish kids who are going to get picked up or
Speaker:evan: whatever like david ben goryan yeah but like he like they made it just be just
Speaker:evan: like a camp you know like there is no right just that's which.
Speaker:Track 2: They um they yeah i think it's more like a
Speaker:Track 2: cultural thing like they mentioned in the
Speaker:Track 2: prequel there's like because in the prequel there's a
Speaker:Track 2: like a anglo there's like a waspy sort of
Speaker:Track 2: like high you know like a higher class camp
Speaker:Track 2: like next door uh it's and so
Speaker:Track 2: like so it's like all the rich kids or whatever and so there's
Speaker:Track 2: like a rivalry um and they they like explicitly make
Speaker:Track 2: a joke about it in that and i was gonna say like
Speaker:Track 2: because you mentioned on the doc like if is
Speaker:Track 2: david wayne is i actually like google that before you even put that in the doc
Speaker:Track 2: right because like and you can cut that out or whatever or you can leave it
Speaker:Track 2: in but i was just gonna say because so i didn't find him saying anything which
Speaker:Track 2: in and of itself you know i feel like by this point if you hadn't said anything
Speaker:Track 2: like that in itself is kind of a statement but um.
Speaker:Track 2: I did find okay because like in the prequel there's
Speaker:Track 2: David Wayne actually plays a character who's like an Israeli
Speaker:Track 2: guy and he's an absolute creep like
Speaker:Track 2: his storyline is literally cooking David show up
Speaker:Track 2: here and it's so funny because so I googled that
Speaker:Track 2: or I googled like David later and I
Speaker:Track 2: found this like post this blog from like a
Speaker:Track 2: site called like the tablet or something and it was a guy basically saying that
Speaker:Track 2: like oh yeah this is a very like you know you can it was like whatever like
Speaker:Track 2: a very of a jewish uh summer camp or whatever but he was like oh and that like
Speaker:Track 2: israeli character he's so cool like i love that guy like we all we all loved
Speaker:Track 2: him and i was like wow that is so telling we.
Speaker:Track 3: All identified with this.
Speaker:Track 2: Like man that guy was so cool we wanted to be him so bad i'm like i also.
Speaker:evan: Could not find anything you know and one way or the other at all about it the
Speaker:evan: only thing that i was going to say is so i saw the film um the 10 that came out i think in like 2007,
Speaker:evan: in washington dc at the jcc and it was like a screening and then he actually
Speaker:evan: like answered due to q a afterwards and i actually had like i knew i had gone
Speaker:evan: to see it but i sort of hadn't,
Speaker:evan: remembered like the whole q a about it and nothing came up about israel at all
Speaker:evan: or anything It was just simply questions about the film, like, you know, totally.
Speaker:evan: So my guess is if he is one, I don't know it. So cool.
Speaker:evan: I don't know. I don't know. I don't mean that in like a derogatory sense.
Speaker:evan: Just like, yeah, you know, he's just, yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah. I was thinking, I was like, you know, we might hurt ourselves if we tried
Speaker:Track 3: to find a political angle in this movie.
Speaker:Track 3: But I think it does come out of like a specific middle class America,
Speaker:Track 3: like Gen X kind of upbringing.
Speaker:Track 3: And because so much of the script is based on all of their experiences,
Speaker:Track 3: like this kind of common experience or whatever.
Speaker:Track 3: Or, I don't know, maybe, you know, it's a snapshot a little bit of,
Speaker:Track 3: like, maybe a particular time of America or, like, whether it was real or not,
Speaker:Track 3: like, or just something in the movies.
Speaker:Track 3: But, like, I do think it's funny that the original plan for this movie was to
Speaker:Track 3: be entirely improvised, I think, based on an outline.
Speaker:Track 3: And that was inspired by Sam Seder's short film, Who's the Caboose?
Speaker:evan: Yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: And I'm like, well, Sam Seder is now, like, a big, like, left-wing,
Speaker:Track 3: you know, he does majority report. Yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah you.
Speaker:Track 3: Know there's like the the little bit of a connection there.
Speaker:Track 2: There's also a joke in like the prequel where
Speaker:Track 2: they like do jigswords with a shofars so
Speaker:Track 2: like i don't think he has any reverence for his religion i
Speaker:Track 2: think if he get because i mean we talked about that like how hard
Speaker:Track 2: it would be to like parse out politics of this but i was going to
Speaker:Track 2: joke any movie with american in the title is inherently
Speaker:Track 2: like very political um but also like
Speaker:Track 2: i do think like i don't know i feel like the way the fact
Speaker:Track 2: that this movie got made it is very like i don't
Speaker:Track 2: know it's it's emblematic of that gen xer sort
Speaker:Track 2: of like uh thing of like checking out which i
Speaker:Track 2: think can apply to like all generations post war but this
Speaker:Track 2: like sort of uh you know slacker thing of like oh
Speaker:Track 2: i'm not even gonna pay attention or mention politics i'm just gonna completely
Speaker:Track 2: disappear into the world of like culture or whatever and then like this is the
Speaker:Track 2: product which is like really funny in a movie that i love but also it has like
Speaker:Track 2: yeah there's no weight to it like politically or i don't know if it'll if it's
Speaker:Track 2: like remembered or you know if people like care about it so much as time goes by it's.
Speaker:evan: Interesting you mentioned that
Speaker:evan: if it has the word american and it like has some inherent you know even.
Speaker:Track 2: If unintentional.
Speaker:evan: Like politics i saw on imdb i don't know if this is a joke and they came up
Speaker:evan: with this later but there's a list of like 35 other potential names that they
Speaker:evan: were thinking of of naming the movie and some of them are just.
Speaker:Track 2: Absurd like boner.
Speaker:evan: Camp america big american love wedgie like this i don't know if these were just like.
Speaker:Track 2: You know it's.
Speaker:evan: Just a joke and they had this list later on or something but to me it just felt
Speaker:evan: like they were trying to harness the experience that he had like going to camp with this.
Speaker:Track 2: Like ridiculously.
Speaker:evan: Talented cast of people who are funny and he worked with before and then on
Speaker:evan: top of that just sort of the you know it feels very much like a verge like a a,
Speaker:evan: a modern version of like meatballs or something but like in a in a in a much
Speaker:evan: different like less in a crude way but in like a in a kind of more tongue-in-cheek
Speaker:evan: than meatballs i think i don't know it's been a while since i've seen i think.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah and i think like most substantially um there
Speaker:Track 2: if it's let's say uh i will get into it obviously later but
Speaker:Track 2: there are a couple of members of the cast who like outside of this film have
Speaker:Track 2: gotten into some interesting hobbies and activities we'll say um perhaps friendships
Speaker:Track 2: uh let's say uh h2o usage you know lawn care stuff like that uh this.
Speaker:Track 3: Movie has like what like three four different montages like scenes.
Speaker:evan: In succession.
Speaker:Track 3: Sergey eisenstein you know that's that was uh you know the hegelian dialectic
Speaker:Track 3: right like that uh represented via montage shunning narrative structure for
Speaker:Track 3: uh you know moving the action by the group so therefore this movie is a marxist yeah that's my theory.
Speaker:evan: Like i think i joke this is like probably the silliest like
Speaker:evan: most movie that i've ever like taken notes like while
Speaker:evan: watching it you know and i was thinking about it but the thing i was thinking
Speaker:evan: is they mentioned a few times in that documentary that the film was basically
Speaker:evan: just a bunch of you know individual funny scenes that just kind of were taking
Speaker:evan: place throughout the day of one day at camp and like that wayne was just good
Speaker:evan: at kind of corralling everyone, although it didn't seem like,
Speaker:evan: it seemed like the shooting was probably pretty chaotic.
Speaker:evan: They kind of maybe hinted that in that documentary, but don't outright say it.
Speaker:evan: I don't know exactly, but it just, it seemed like this, it's like the next logical
Speaker:evan: step for, you know, those other things like the state, like taking these bits
Speaker:evan: and just kind of putting them all together and just being committed to them for an hour and a half.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah. Like there's a, there's a little bit of connecting.
Speaker:evan: Yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: Cause I listened to this in a, this Q and a with him,
Speaker:Track 3: It's like an hour long. I forget what it was. It was part of some podcast.
Speaker:Track 3: It was in like 2013 or something.
Speaker:Track 3: But yeah, he mentioned like, yeah, it is a lot of like sketches basically like
Speaker:Track 3: kind of sewn together as like character stories or whatever.
Speaker:Track 3: But like he wanted it to, he specifically, they said they studied like Nashville,
Speaker:Track 3: Altman's Nashville, which I think is kind of good.
Speaker:Track 2: And.
Speaker:Track 3: Like dazed and confused and like do the right thing.
Speaker:Track 2: Where it's like one.
Speaker:Track 3: Kind of set period of time with a
Speaker:Track 3: bunch of different characters and like figuring out how to connect it together
Speaker:Track 3: and there is like little stuff like the scene with paul rudd where he's like
Speaker:Track 3: acting like a baby and like cleaning up the stuff off the floor or whatever
Speaker:Track 3: like that is like funny but also it kind of tells you that he's like lazy or
Speaker:Track 3: whatever and he's like that's why we left it in because it helps later when
Speaker:Track 3: like you know the kid or whatever is drowning and it's like you just remember that he's a lazy guy.
Speaker:Track 2: Just like the fact that like this movie was made
Speaker:Track 2: and put in theaters like that wouldn't happen today you
Speaker:Track 2: know or if it did no one would i mean no one really cared when it came
Speaker:Track 2: out but especially now like i feel like that that
Speaker:Track 2: was the most interesting thing to me was like the the fact
Speaker:Track 2: that people sort of had this like mental real estate and
Speaker:Track 2: money and ruined the theater to be like yeah let's give
Speaker:Track 2: money to a bunch of like kind of young people who you
Speaker:Track 2: know they've done some tv or whatever but yeah let's have him
Speaker:Track 2: make a movie and you know it failed but like they gave it
Speaker:Track 2: a shot and everyone sort of had a career after this so
Speaker:Track 2: even if the movie didn't make money I think it was ultimately a success
Speaker:Track 2: and plus like you know it's a cult it's as of now
Speaker:Track 2: like cult status or whatever but yeah it does seem like I don't
Speaker:Track 2: want to say like frivolous but it does seem like
Speaker:Track 2: weirdly detached from anything and I think that goes to
Speaker:Track 2: that idea of like irony and like like
Speaker:Track 2: everyone likes to say that every generation is the first to discover
Speaker:Track 2: irony but they've literally been saying it they said that about millennials they
Speaker:Track 2: said that about gen x2 like everything's ironic and
Speaker:Track 2: even baby boomers there's a there's actually um
Speaker:Track 2: a a sequence in uh adam curtis's
Speaker:Track 2: hyper normalization that i kept thinking of where he like he's talking about
Speaker:Track 2: patty smith and how like the boomers as like life became more as the world became
Speaker:Track 2: more complex or whatever they just sort of disappeared into their like worlds
Speaker:Track 2: of culture and you know became cool detached observers and this feels like.
Speaker:Track 2: The like genetics obviously had that thing in
Speaker:Track 2: them like as we all have uh but like this feels like
Speaker:Track 2: a 100 like an artifact of that because it is weirdly just like it's like in
Speaker:Track 2: a vacuum like it's sealed off by its like parody and satire or whatever but
Speaker:Track 2: like it's those tendencies you know those off the wall because that's what it
Speaker:Track 2: is it's like it's a parody of those films it's everything taken to the 11th
Speaker:Track 2: you know degree or whatever i.
Speaker:evan: Mean it says something that netflix would come back you know,
Speaker:evan: that much later and make not one but two different you know series based on
Speaker:evan: i mean clearly they've saw you know i hate to say like value in it you know in it as a as a you know.
Speaker:Track 2: Ip yeah.
Speaker:evan: Yeah i mean i think i also saw they were briefly considering there being like
Speaker:evan: a show that was going to be a sitcom which i don't think would work it has to
Speaker:evan: be on cable you know like something like yeah they.
Speaker:Track 3: Were they were.
Speaker:Track 2: Working on like.
Speaker:Track 3: A network show i think that wouldn't work for this.
Speaker:Track 2: That would have been weird yeah yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: That would be bad yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah at least like the netflix shows feel like there's certainly
Speaker:Track 2: like an uncanny uh aspect to them but
Speaker:Track 2: they still feel like sort of like cinematic in
Speaker:Track 2: a way that like the film did you know like the film's
Speaker:Track 2: not the most cinematic film ever but it is shot on actual film
Speaker:Track 2: and so like the netflix the cinematic approach i
Speaker:Track 2: think like helped you know in this case or whatever and
Speaker:Track 2: again they like play up that uncanny aspect and it's
Speaker:Track 2: so funny because like some of the casts you know david showalter
Speaker:Track 2: bless his heart other other of the cast you know have like not aged a day and
Speaker:Track 2: like now that i'm like a little bit older i feel like the key difference is
Speaker:Track 2: like those who drink versus those who don't like i'm like oh i can kind of tell
Speaker:Track 2: which one's like like elizabeth bakes is probably drinking a lot of water mostly you know yeah.
Speaker:evan: Well it's funny i mentioned at the start like how many people are in this and
Speaker:evan: it's not just tons of people, but it's a lot of people's, their first,
Speaker:evan: like their cinematic date, or I guess their, uh,
Speaker:evan: yeah, film debuts, like including Bradley Cooper, which I think famously he
Speaker:evan: says he doesn't ever remember getting paid for the movie.
Speaker:evan: And also he skipped his graduation from film school to be in the scene where
Speaker:evan: he, you know, has sex with, uh, with, um, like black.
Speaker:evan: And like, that was, that was literally how he describes it. I left to go do
Speaker:evan: that scene. And it's this.
Speaker:Track 3: That's the maestro that's the maestro you know.
Speaker:evan: Yeah and it has so many and like it's funny i was just watching
Speaker:evan: right before we recorded this this new shonda rhimes
Speaker:evan: series about like a murder in the white house i can't think of what it's called
Speaker:evan: at the moment but ken marino is like one of the main characters in it and i
Speaker:evan: was thinking like he he i mean i wish there i always say like i wish there were
Speaker:evan: just more shows that had ken marino in it just like more of them i always uh
Speaker:evan: like when He's in things.
Speaker:Track 2: Party Down.
Speaker:Track 3: Apparently his wig in this movie, he found himself.
Speaker:evan: Oh, really? I didn't see that.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah, well, because he was like doing TV stuff at the time. And so he couldn't
Speaker:Track 3: actually like get a perm or whatever.
Speaker:Track 3: So I think they said they were going to have some on set for him.
Speaker:Track 3: But he was like, no, it's going to be, I'm not going to have any good choices.
Speaker:Track 3: And so, yeah, he like bought that horrible perm wig in LA.
Speaker:evan: I mean, so many of them had nobody. Like Amy Poehler was saying they came and
Speaker:evan: like didn't have anything. like
Speaker:evan: they didn't know what to bring they didn't have any stuff you know like.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah because they because they spend it all on weed and beer that's where all their money.
Speaker:evan: Yeah literally bradley.
Speaker:Track 2: Cooper though like the first time i remember seeing him was in wedding crashers
Speaker:Track 2: which was a comedy and you know and then like famously he did elephant man on
Speaker:Track 2: broadway with no prosthetics he's like i'm doing this full natty i mean that's
Speaker:Track 2: one of the funniest bits he's ever done you know uh comedic genius in some ways.
Speaker:evan: Yeah i don't i.
Speaker:Track 3: Guess he was in the hangover also i guess he was of course.
Speaker:evan: Yeah i was trying to think of the first thing i remember him
Speaker:evan: being in or i think i remember it was i mean probably this but
Speaker:evan: at the time when i saw this i probably didn't really know bradley cooper was
Speaker:evan: still you know fairly early on i think yeah yeah i think like he was also an
Speaker:evan: alias for a bunch of uh season or seasons too but i don't know if i watched
Speaker:evan: that show like religiously so i don't know that i remember no yeah i think i've
Speaker:evan: just seen a few episodes but i think he was a major a main character of
Speaker:evan: for a few seasons but yeah like just all of the the actors on i mean this is
Speaker:evan: this is like i wasn't listening to this on my like notes or anything but like
Speaker:evan: who do you like what character is your favorite in this uh film.
Speaker:Track 3: I also i had a similar question it was kind of more like what what which one
Speaker:Track 3: do you like identify with they're like which one would you say you are but okay
Speaker:Track 3: you could you could say you could go either one it's like which one would you want to be and which.
Speaker:evan: One are you.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah i don't know i think that's a good i'm probably the kid who's just sitting
Speaker:Track 3: in the radio room talking into an unplugged microphone dude i was gonna take
Speaker:Track 3: a shower i was gonna say doing.
Speaker:Track 2: A radio show into unplugged machinery and equipment is like a very good metaphor for podcasting.
Speaker:Track 3: You know so i mean i definitely.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah i mean uh gary is the he has the funniest quotes like he's when he's like
Speaker:Track 2: when they're like watching um like the girls on dress and he's like oh it's just like clue um.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah is that 80 miles is that his character yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah 80 miles is scary yeah he has so many just like fucking funny lines like
Speaker:Track 2: that he has my like he's my favorite because like him and ken marina um.
Speaker:Track 3: I like that like gene like the the head cook or whatever like is always like
Speaker:Track 3: yelling at him but like he's never like he's never intimidated by Christopher
Speaker:Track 3: Maloney at all yeah he's just kind of like okay man yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: Me and Ryan were talking about how good Christopher Maloney is he's good.
Speaker:Track 3: In this and the prequel.
Speaker:Track 2: He's amazing also.
Speaker:Track 3: I mean you haven't seen They Came Together but you need to for Christopher Maloney he has,
Speaker:Track 3: one of the funniest bits in that movie. I won't spoil it.
Speaker:evan: Yes, that is like on the top of my list, obviously. Oh, oh yeah,
Speaker:evan: so wait, so you both said, you both identified with, what was the kid's name? What is his, the.
Speaker:Track 3: What was the kid's name? I don't remember.
Speaker:Track 2: The beekeeper.
Speaker:evan: The beekeeper, yes, of course. I love also where he talks about how he can be,
Speaker:evan: you can like listen to him at his like synagogue or his like the Jewish day
Speaker:evan: school's radio station when he gets back home.
Speaker:Track 2: But I was also going to say Gary and JJ played by Zach Orth.
Speaker:Track 2: Like they're kind of like the Rosencrantz and Guildenstern of this film.
Speaker:Track 2: And they might be my favorite part of the movie. Like, oh, they're so good.
Speaker:evan: I always, as far as like my favorite character, as I already admitted being
Speaker:evan: a big Ken Marino fan, I feel like I just love his character and just it's,
Speaker:evan: it's funny and all of that.
Speaker:evan: And it's like for the one that I would identify with, I mean,
Speaker:evan: I guess maybe like the raid, the kid, the radio kid, but also just maybe like
Speaker:evan: one of the, I don't know. I mean, maybe, maybe even just Michael Showalter, you know?
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah. I was going to say like Michael Showalter Coop, he's like,
Speaker:Track 2: he's definitely the character that like, I would hate to admit it,
Speaker:Track 2: but like there definitely was a time, i.e. high school when I a hundred percent
Speaker:Track 2: was a Coop and I, if I could go back in time.
Speaker:Track 3: I probably looked to like a lot like him in high school.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: I had pretty long hair in high school.
Speaker:Track 2: So yeah, we all had that haircut, I think at one point for sure.
Speaker:evan: And it's funny because when I went to camp, there was a kid whose name was Coop.
Speaker:evan: Like, I feel like every camp had a Coop. I don't remember what his first name
Speaker:evan: was, but everyone just called him Coop. But his name wasn't Cooperberg. It was just Cooper.
Speaker:Track 2: In this film, it's actually short for Bradley Cooper, strangely enough.
Speaker:Track 2: It's his name in the film.
Speaker:Track 3: It's Cooperberg, which is also like, I think I'm playing more on the Jewish joke.
Speaker:Track 3: I did like that Molly Shannon's character's name was like von Kleinenstein.
Speaker:evan: Yeah, just like a German.
Speaker:Track 2: It's really good. it's.
Speaker:evan: Ridiculous names i mean i think like i think you you mentioned 80 miles and
Speaker:evan: zach or it's kind of their like pairing i also just like the amy polar bradley
Speaker:evan: cooper dynamic and like a more they're like.
Speaker:Track 2: Definitely more mean-spirited.
Speaker:evan: In a way but like when they come to the table and they're like you know leave
Speaker:evan: your like leave your bullshit behind and you know come to the audition.
Speaker:Track 2: I was gonna say yeah like amy polar i used to go to
Speaker:Track 2: a bunch of shows for a short period of time uh at
Speaker:Track 2: the one of the ucb theaters in la the one on franklin and
Speaker:Track 2: there was this show they would do where like it would be like one actor
Speaker:Track 2: paired up with one improviser and that
Speaker:Track 2: it would be a short scene and the actor would know all their lines and the improviser
Speaker:Track 2: wouldn't know what it is so they would just have to make shit up so I saw like
Speaker:Track 2: Thomas Middleditch and people like that perform or whatever um but yeah I saw
Speaker:Track 2: Amy Poehler uh perform there and she's very funny like she's she's always had
Speaker:Track 2: that like swag or whatever you know about her like she's just she's super funny.
Speaker:evan: Yeah. Her, like her, um, behind the scenes, like in the documentary,
Speaker:evan: she, her and probably Jeanine Grilofalo are probably the funniest kind of doing
Speaker:evan: bits in that, you know, off camera.
Speaker:evan: And they also said, this was like one of the notes that they describe is they
Speaker:evan: filmed for 28 days and it rained for, I think, 21 of them. They said,
Speaker:evan: so they were just inside.
Speaker:Track 3: You can see it in the background. A lot of the times it's just, yeah.
Speaker:evan: And really cold apparently like they would film scenes in bikinis and they would
Speaker:evan: just have to like, Like, make sure you couldn't see, like, their breath in the
Speaker:evan: air because it was so cold.
Speaker:evan: But both of them, like, would, were clearly, they talk about how they all just
Speaker:evan: became extremely close to each other.
Speaker:evan: They were just hanging out, getting drunk, getting high.
Speaker:evan: Just, you know, that was just what they did.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah. And who am I kidding? I'm Lindsay. I'm Elizabeth Banks when
Speaker:Track 2: she has barbecue all over her face.
Speaker:Track 2: That's who I am.
Speaker:Track 3: We have coined a term called barbecue cinema where like it's come up a few times
Speaker:Track 3: now where it's like these kind of like almost like populist type movies about
Speaker:Track 3: like, I don't know, a Southern family or whatever.
Speaker:Track 3: And like it originated with like this Alan Rudolph film that he like was hired
Speaker:Track 3: to direct called Rhodey with like meatloaf.
Speaker:Track 3: And Art Carney is in it. And he literally is like smearing barbecue sauce all
Speaker:Track 3: over his face in one scene.
Speaker:Track 3: And that's where it originated from.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah. Like, Ernest Goes to Jail, which I always contend should be Ernest Goes
Speaker:Track 2: to Prison because he doesn't go to jail, he goes to prison.
Speaker:Track 2: But Ernest Goes to Jail is a barbecue sauce movie. The TV show Mama's Family
Speaker:Track 2: is 100% a barbecue sauce TV show.
Speaker:Track 2: It's barbecues. Yeah, Hee Haw, that's all barbecue.
Speaker:Track 2: And now this, you know, Elizabeth Banks.
Speaker:Track 3: Another edition.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah, Sloppy Barbecue.
Speaker:Track 3: The barbecue criterion, yeah.
Speaker:evan: I like how she's listed as the last person in the starring, at least on Wikipedia.
Speaker:Track 3: I always forget she's in this movie.
Speaker:evan: She doesn't have a lot of scenes, right? She's in like halfway in.
Speaker:evan: She really is like on the side, except for the scene where she's making out with Paul Rudd.
Speaker:evan: I feel like she's just not really in it too much.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah, that's kind of what she's here for. That and the...
Speaker:Track 3: barbecue sauce which is one of my favorite scenes yeah i feel like the the characters
Speaker:Track 3: that are closest to like the cast of this movie like david wayne and all them
Speaker:Track 3: are the theater people because they're all like nyu uh yeah you know like i
Speaker:Track 3: don't know i feel like the state and like,
Speaker:Track 3: stella to an extent it did kind of feel like theater kids a little bit but like
Speaker:Track 3: funny theater kids so like you know you kind of it doesn't come with the negative
Speaker:Track 3: connotation that theater kid sometimes comes with.
Speaker:Track 2: And then also the improv thing with amy polar and then in in like the prequel
Speaker:Track 2: series they have like rob hubel and paul sheard.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah a lot.
Speaker:Track 2: Of ucb uh kinds of types or whatever so yeah this is also like they're very
Speaker:Track 2: much like a theater kid movie but like complimentary you know.
Speaker:Track 3: Exactly yeah yeah.
Speaker:evan: I mean they're like it's funny how there's some of the you know i think of like
Speaker:evan: jolo trulio's character isn't in it much either but i think of him and other
Speaker:evan: things since then as also being extremely funny,
Speaker:evan: but he just, you know, there's only so much, I don't know, I don't know if there
Speaker:evan: were other scenes that didn't make it, or just, as you said,
Speaker:evan: maybe who were people who were more close to David,
Speaker:evan: got to, you know, got more screen time.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah, he gets one of my favorite scenes in this, which is when he's reacting
Speaker:Track 3: to Ken Marino's saving the kids in the rack.
Speaker:Track 2: Oh, yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: We never see it, but he's just like, oh, there he goes, oh, he's saving them.
Speaker:Track 2: It depends on where you are in Wayne's world, you know.
Speaker:Track 3: That's right, yeah, that's right.
Speaker:evan: Yeah, it could be Wayne's World. You need a hat that says Wayne's World, but just spelled W-A-N.
Speaker:Track 3: Our friend Jake told me to tell this joke, but the wet, hot American summer,
Speaker:Track 3: that refers to the gallons and gallons of water that Amy Poehler uses to water
Speaker:Track 3: her plants and lawn in Los Angeles. Yes.
Speaker:Track 2: She got in trouble. Speaking of bad politics, yeah, she got in trouble for using
Speaker:Track 2: way more water than she should at her Beverly Hills home.
Speaker:Track 2: California, obviously, a state that has, you know, they have a thing about water, you could say.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah, there's sort of a drought.
Speaker:evan: Well, since you mentioned, like, the, like, politics, some of the cast, you both,
Speaker:evan: or I don't remember which one of you had sent me the link to Michael Ian Black's
Speaker:evan: friendship with Meghan McCain and a book that I didn't know existed,
Speaker:evan: which I would never, I would never buy, maybe I just, like, memory hold that,
Speaker:evan: like, I just, you know, forgot that it existed.
Speaker:Track 3: So much has happened, more important things have happened.
Speaker:evan: Yeah, I guess so. What was that, like, 2012 or 13, I guess it would have been? No.
Speaker:Track 3: Maybe, like, 2019.
Speaker:evan: Oh, it's even more, oh, geez.
Speaker:Track 3: I feel like it wasn't that long ago, but it was long enough that it's like understandable to forget.
Speaker:evan: Yeah, so yeah, like you said, a few things have happened since then.
Speaker:Track 3: But apparently— I wish I could forget it.
Speaker:evan: Yeah, it just—and honestly, it doesn't surprise me. I think—I don't know if
Speaker:evan: I follow him on Twitter, but sometimes I see some of the things he posts.
Speaker:evan: And he just, to me, strikes me as probably a lot of the cast just kind of like standard liberals.
Speaker:evan: You know, I feel like that's just kind of their—,
Speaker:evan: You know, very like a.
Speaker:Track 3: Patton Oswalt or whatever, like, yeah, too much online, maybe you're like,
Speaker:Track 3: you know, I'll name the worst one.
Speaker:Track 3: It's just Greg groups. That guy needs to get off.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah. I was the one who sent you the article because I knew about their friendship
Speaker:Track 2: and I knew about their book and stuff.
Speaker:Track 2: And I looked up this fucking it's from his sub stack, by the way.
Speaker:Track 2: And this shit was from this year. It's an article he fucking wrote.
Speaker:Track 2: I'll just read like the beginning of it. I just went to Megan McCain's podcast.
Speaker:Track 2: Every time I mention Megan or Megan mentions me, we both get grief about our friendship.
Speaker:Track 2: People are flummoxed by our relationship, which in turn flummoxes me.
Speaker:Track 2: Is it that unusual for two people of opposite sexes in political parties to have a friendship?
Speaker:Track 2: Maybe it is. And now that I think of it, Megan is my only female conservative
Speaker:Track 2: friend, or at least she's the only one as vocal about it as I am about my own liberal leanings.
Speaker:Track 2: we met at a tv taping i was hosting
Speaker:Track 2: a talk show pilot she was a guest we hit
Speaker:Track 2: it off because we we hit it off and became twitter friends one night casting
Speaker:Track 2: about for one night casting about for something to do i took an ambient got
Speaker:Track 2: on twitter i got the brilliant idea that we should write a book together i dm'd
Speaker:Track 2: her something along the lines of we should write a book together,
Speaker:Track 2: um yeah so he took a fucking sleeping pill and dm'd her and now they're best
Speaker:Track 2: friends to this day wow it's so crazy but it's so i.
Speaker:Track 3: Like how he thinks he's like the first guy to be like i'm a liberal and i'm
Speaker:Track 3: friends with the conservative like.
Speaker:Track 2: James carville.
Speaker:Track 3: Hasn't been doing like 40 years or whatever.
Speaker:Track 2: I was literally gonna say like me and ryan have made
Speaker:Track 2: fun of james carville because it's like yeah like the fact that you can like
Speaker:Track 2: have fucking dinner drinks with these people that's part of the fucking problem
Speaker:Track 2: and it's part of the reason why nothing gets done and it's just it's so emblematic
Speaker:Track 2: of the liberal mindset of just like well hey like because none of this shit
Speaker:Track 2: really bothers them right it's all theater none of it affects them it's all
Speaker:Track 2: just like my team versus your team at the end of the day they're all a bunch
Speaker:Track 2: of fucking rich assholes well i was.
Speaker:evan: Gonna say it's like they're both conservative he just has like he's like and.
Speaker:Track 2: Exactly he just.
Speaker:evan: Like you know like weed should be legal and like you should pay more tax gay people can.
Speaker:Track 3: Get married or whatever yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah, and the way that all liberals are fascists, it's the same thing of all
Speaker:Track 2: conservatives are just liberals.
Speaker:Track 2: They just want everyone to like the same TV shows and music that they do,
Speaker:Track 2: and they want to be on TV. It's the same bullshit.
Speaker:evan: I think that's a lot of it.
Speaker:Track 3: You mentioned she went on her podcast. I was imagining two unplugged microphones on the floor.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah, I mean, if we lived in a good world, that's what it would be.
Speaker:evan: That wouldn't have to get broadcast.
Speaker:Track 3: That's what it's going to be in my head. I will never.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah, I would wear a king.
Speaker:evan: That reminds me, not reminds, that like leads me to like one of the only,
Speaker:evan: I don't know if I would call this a political aspect of it, but it reminded
Speaker:evan: me just because of like the Meghan McCain and Michael Ian Black and sort of
Speaker:evan: like, you know, one of them would be like, I'm pro, you know,
Speaker:evan: I'm in favor of abortion.
Speaker:evan: The other was like, oh, I'm, you know, I'm pro life or whatever.
Speaker:evan: And the only thing I could like derive from this and sort of like politics and
Speaker:evan: I sort of took this as like sort of like identity politics.
Speaker:evan: Maybe maybe I'm reaching here again.
Speaker:evan: This is wet on American summer, but I'm going to try or maybe I'd maybe I shouldn't try.
Speaker:evan: But like when they drop like the like the the F slur a few times specifically,
Speaker:evan: I think it's 80 miles and Zach Orrith when they're talking about Michael in black coincidentally,
Speaker:evan: you know, and and Bradley Cooper's character as, you know,
Speaker:evan: first they realize like they're trying to get him a girl and then
Speaker:evan: they see you know see them getting i guess married or
Speaker:evan: whatever in the woods and like you know it's seeming
Speaker:evan: it seems like they're like angry and upset that they now know that
Speaker:evan: they're gay but then later we have the scene where they bring them this like
Speaker:evan: chase lounge from crate and barrel which apparently was able to be delivered
Speaker:evan: same day you know at uh such a good summer camp which is also a great for you
Speaker:evan: but you think it's going to be something like nefarious or mean but like somehow
Speaker:evan: in my mind i'm thinking to myself like Like, is this this weird, I don't know,
Speaker:evan: this kind of like liberal mindset of like,
Speaker:evan: you know, you're against these things unless it's like helpful to us politically. I don't know.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: I was gonna say like they want to have their cake and eat it too
Speaker:Track 2: because like I was literally thinking about this like earlier today
Speaker:Track 2: like sometimes I feel like in I'm in the twilight zone and
Speaker:Track 2: I'm the only person who has like long-term memory because
Speaker:Track 2: like I was around back then I was around in 2001 I was
Speaker:Track 2: 14 like I remember like we knew back then
Speaker:Track 2: that you couldn't say these kinds of things you couldn't say these words I
Speaker:Track 2: wasn't saying them you know when I was 14 or whatever so like
Speaker:Track 2: because people you know say like oh it's a different time but it's like no we
Speaker:Track 2: knew and we still know and i think like i don't
Speaker:Track 2: think much has changed i think there are still comedians who
Speaker:Track 2: you know otherwise they're like you know left or
Speaker:Track 2: progressive thinking people but who would use the word you
Speaker:Track 2: know if it if if they think it'll get
Speaker:Track 2: a laugh you know and they'll say like oh if it's funny you know who cares and
Speaker:Track 2: you know uh and yeah it is a bit again i think it's having your cake you need
Speaker:Track 2: it too because you want to you want to take advantage like you want to have
Speaker:Track 2: the shock you want to have the like oomph of like saying it but you want to
Speaker:Track 2: be like oh but you know we don't really believe you know hey we're going full.
Speaker:Track 3: Out on the 80s comedy parody and so we have to use some kind of slur.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah yeah yeah it's.
Speaker:evan: Funny it's almost like.
Speaker:Track 2: That's actually a good point right but if they had commented on it it's like
Speaker:Track 2: they had said it and be like dude you can't say it and be like hey it's the
Speaker:Track 2: 80s you know whatever like it's a different time they do that with the whole.
Speaker:Track 3: Like softball game joke right.
Speaker:Track 2: Like yeah that is such a good yeah breaking.
Speaker:Track 3: The fourth well with that.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah yeah i think that actually.
Speaker:evan: That would have that would have been a really smart way to like in a smarter
Speaker:evan: slightly smarter comedy might have been like oh you can't say that and like
Speaker:evan: oh like it's you know it's the 80s and you know
Speaker:evan: That would have been a good line to, I don't know.
Speaker:Track 3: I do remember one Stella's sketch where like the three guys,
Speaker:Track 3: they get girlfriends in one of these little like, I don't even,
Speaker:Track 3: I think it's like one of the Comedy Central episodes. So they're like very short.
Speaker:Track 3: And I think their girlfriends are like Rashida Jones and like Amy Poehler and
Speaker:Track 3: like some other very talented now famous person.
Speaker:Track 3: But they are like hiding from them at one point and they like need to walk past
Speaker:Track 3: them in a disguise. And so they go behind a bush and they come out and they
Speaker:Track 3: are in like full like vaudeville like blackface.
Speaker:Track 3: Like it's crazy.
Speaker:Track 3: Like there is.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: I've done for like shock and like like look how dumb these guys are.
Speaker:Track 2: You know, and like that's just like a definitely a liberal coded thing of like,
Speaker:Track 2: oh, but we're doing it subversively.
Speaker:Track 3: It's I remember like rewatching it a lot like a couple of years ago and like
Speaker:Track 3: my jaw fell to the floor. I was like, holy shit.
Speaker:Track 2: It doesn't yeah it doesn't hold like like uh
Speaker:Track 2: i know always sunny you know they've taken down episodes because
Speaker:Track 2: but i think it's totally different like you know
Speaker:Track 2: it holds up like again i feel like
Speaker:Track 2: it's that liberal thing of like hey like we're you know it
Speaker:Track 2: it doesn't hold up after you know the way that
Speaker:Track 2: they've sort of made excuses for kamala and joe
Speaker:Track 2: biden and hey like who cares about gaza just
Speaker:Track 2: vote for them you know you're you know hey look we got trump now you know like
Speaker:Track 2: as if they didn't just as if the biden administration including kamala didn't
Speaker:Track 2: just aid the genocide or whatever but yeah it's totally like liberal mindset
Speaker:Track 2: thinking but it's a really funny movie too i think unfortunately well it's it's.
Speaker:evan: Unfortunate like that so i don't know if you remember either like the the jimmy
Speaker:evan: kimmel show the man show i don't know if you've ever actually seen.
Speaker:Track 2: It's very offensive in general yeah like.
Speaker:evan: The show has like.
Speaker:Track 2: A concept.
Speaker:evan: But he also did like blackface of like Charles.
Speaker:Track 2: Barkley. Oh, yeah.
Speaker:evan: And I think eventually he came out and said...
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah, like Karl Malone, I think. I think he did it a couple times for a different NBA game.
Speaker:evan: I think his, like, apology was, like, not really an apology.
Speaker:evan: He's like, oh, I did... It's like one of those, like, I didn't mean to offend
Speaker:evan: anyone, but, like, he still probably thinks...
Speaker:Track 2: Sorry if you got offended.
Speaker:evan: Yeah, exactly. Something like that.
Speaker:Track 3: Sorry I made you feel that way, yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: Hey, sorry you feel that way, brother.
Speaker:evan: But that was the same time period.
Speaker:Track 2: I think it was.
Speaker:evan: Like, 1990... I looked it up. 99 to 2004.
Speaker:evan: So around the same time, again, to the point of these things were offensive,
Speaker:evan: but people viewed it as like, we're just pushing the envelope or something.
Speaker:evan: You know, like, you know, not...
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah, I feel like to like, I don't know, especially with like,
Speaker:Track 3: I don't know, the kind of liberal celebrity types, like it's it's almost less
Speaker:Track 3: nefarious and more stupid of like, I just don't want to even think about it type thing.
Speaker:Track 3: And like, stop, stop showing me it, you know, I think that's what they want.
Speaker:Track 3: They just want to go to brunch or whatever.
Speaker:Track 2: And that feels very gross. That to me is extremely offensive. Yeah, I hate that.
Speaker:evan: Well, I don't know if this is like maybe a poor segue, but I was just thinking
Speaker:evan: because you're talking about sort of like, oh, yeah, like, let's just, you know, do whatever.
Speaker:evan: It reminds me of the scene where they're like, they're all, they just had their
Speaker:evan: meeting with camp director, Jeannie Graffalo.
Speaker:evan: And they're like, oh, like we should, you know, in 10 years,
Speaker:evan: we should all see what like we're like and, you know, and meet up.
Speaker:evan: And they're like, oh, meet up at nine o'clock. It's like, oh, what about 930?
Speaker:evan: And Bradley Cooper's like, oh, we'll say nine, but let's make it 930.
Speaker:evan: Like, oh, why can't we be here? Why can't we make it your beeswax to be here by 930?
Speaker:evan: And I was just thinking like this, I almost like lost my, uh,
Speaker:evan: my thread as to my loose thread as to why those two things came together.
Speaker:evan: And I don't know what it was.
Speaker:evan: Oh, just like, you know, this, like, we don't really care about anything.
Speaker:evan: We just kind of care about our own personal thing.
Speaker:evan: It's like, oh yeah, I have a, an appointment at 11.
Speaker:evan: I can't move it. I don't, I don't know. Just this, I think that my,
Speaker:evan: my connection of those two things really is a real, is doesn't work too well, but.
Speaker:Track 2: It's an inconvenience yeah they hate being inconvenient.
Speaker:evan: Yes i think that's what it really is i really.
Speaker:Track 3: Paul rudd is like the the epitome of like all of that attitude yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: And i bring this up all the time but i'm
Speaker:Track 2: like every like second of convenience for us comes at like the suffering of
Speaker:Track 2: someone else you know like and that's like i'm not i'm not like excluding myself
Speaker:Track 2: from that but it's like a harsh reality that again people don't they're like
Speaker:Track 2: you know like don't bum people out you know you can't stay this kind of stuff at a party or whatever.
Speaker:evan: Yeah um what was i gonna mention there's
Speaker:evan: a there's a bunch of other like random things so i don't think we mentioned or
Speaker:evan: maybe you did the beginning was like the david hyde pierce in this
Speaker:evan: film and i was thinking about i was thinking about
Speaker:evan: him and i i honestly i was just like recounting some
Speaker:evan: of my favorite scenes and honestly i actually wrote down
Speaker:evan: just every scene that he is in is funny like every
Speaker:evan: time he's in the film with mostly with jenny ruffalo like their banter back
Speaker:evan: and forth for me like my favorite one is when they're i think it's in the evening
Speaker:evan: during the talent show and he's like oh meet me over at the picnic table in
Speaker:evan: 10 seconds and she just like is staring into the sky and it actually 10 seconds
Speaker:evan: does go by and she walks over and like all the kids are assembled you.
Speaker:Track 3: Could see he like barely managed to get the like lab coat on like they actually
Speaker:Track 3: like carried out a bench or whatever in 10 seconds.
Speaker:Track 2: He like snaps and yells at her.
Speaker:Track 3: And then like apologizes later there's some random bursts of like anger like
Speaker:Track 3: when he like looks at the results and he's like fuck my cock you know it's so funny.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah yeah because we there was a movie we watched recently where like,
Speaker:Track 2: uh i think it was maybe hard to kill whereas like the way peter fonda yelled
Speaker:Track 2: at his son was fighting mad yeah yeah sorry yeah it was like it felt very real
Speaker:Track 2: like the way he like was yelling at his kid.
Speaker:evan: Yeah he has lots of great telling.
Speaker:Track 3: Him to shut up.
Speaker:evan: I mean it like the it just it's kind of great that
Speaker:evan: they got him and uh um baloney to
Speaker:evan: to be in this film like they've they've they probably both read the script and
Speaker:evan: like this is really funny sure i'll you know i'll do this whatever it you know
Speaker:evan: it seems like a good time but it does seem uh like um from what i gathered it
Speaker:evan: seemed like david hyde pierce didn't hang out with most of the people who were
Speaker:evan: in it they were all much younger than him i guess well i don't know how old he was what year was the.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah he was like mostly in his room right like.
Speaker:evan: During yeah it seemed like he wasn't really part of the rest of the group i
Speaker:evan: mean he was he was born in 1959 well before most of these people so yeah except
Speaker:evan: for maybe jenny graffalo yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: He was a boomer and he had been on like fraser forever by this point he was
Speaker:Track 2: in his hotel with his emmys you know.
Speaker:evan: He did not do none of the nonsense yeah that would be it would actually be
Speaker:evan: funny if he didn't actually stay at the camp but maybe he like had just had
Speaker:evan: his own private cabin or something i think bradley cooper in the like the in
Speaker:evan: the uh thing thought because the way he probably envisioned like being on set
Speaker:evan: was like get your own trailer and it's all spread out he's like i got there
Speaker:evan: and i'm just like sleeping in the infirmary that was cool yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: Sleeping in a bunk bed yeah.
Speaker:evan: We i guess we talked about like our arc the best characters. What are some of the...
Speaker:evan: Again, because there's so many, really so many scenes.
Speaker:Track 3: I feel like that is the best way to talk about this movie because it is such a loose structure.
Speaker:Track 3: There's like seven or so character stories. I kind of recorded them down.
Speaker:evan: Oh, well, yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: Like broke them down a little bit. But you have like...
Speaker:Track 3: cooper and katie which is uh michael show walter and uh
Speaker:Track 3: marguerite moreau i think uh and then
Speaker:Track 3: you have andy and katie which is paul rudd and and moreau and
Speaker:Track 3: then you have like a few different like mini hookup stories of like
Speaker:Track 3: ken marino uh and like his whole thing in the woods which is amazing and like
Speaker:Track 3: michael eon black and uh bradley cooper and then you have molly shannon as gail
Speaker:Track 3: the art teacher with those it's i love that she is just given her whole own
Speaker:Track 3: like little plot like She doesn't interact with anyone else in the movie. Not until the end, yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: She's like, all right, bye, everyone. I'm going to go marry this child.
Speaker:evan: That also has one of my favorite lines when Amy – or when Ginny Garofalo says,
Speaker:evan: I'm allergic to oxymorons.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah.
Speaker:evan: Oh, my gosh.
Speaker:Track 3: And then, yeah, you have the talent show, which is kind of being set up by Susie
Speaker:Track 3: and Ben, which is Amy Poehler and Bradley Cooper.
Speaker:Track 3: And then you have Beth and the professor when the whole like the Skylab is going
Speaker:Track 3: to come crashing into Earth and it's going to fall right on the rec center in 90 minutes.
Speaker:Track 3: Oh, and you also have children trapped on a raft that need to be saved from the waterfall.
Speaker:evan: Yes.
Speaker:Track 3: Which connects back to Ken Marino's thing.
Speaker:evan: Yeah, they do connect a lot of them. Like a thread goes through them.
Speaker:evan: And also like the constant moments when Paul Rudd is like annoyed by a kid and
Speaker:evan: drives them out with a van and throws them out.
Speaker:Track 2: Dude, yeah. I wrote those down. Every time Paul Rudd, you know,
Speaker:Track 2: there's a couple of times where, like, one kid will see him, like,
Speaker:Track 2: kind of kill another kid and sort of have to like throw him off out of the van
Speaker:Track 2: like in the middle of nowhere i again i love jj and gary like whenever they're
Speaker:Track 2: like watching the wedding and one of them's like it looks like she's playing
Speaker:Track 2: the flute he's like kinky,
Speaker:Track 2: it's so good even at the beginning uh marguerite
Speaker:Track 2: moreau she has this like whenever coop tells her something
Speaker:Track 2: she just has this she goes yeah like it's just
Speaker:Track 2: the word yeah but the way she says it is so fucking funny and
Speaker:Track 2: then of course like all this stuff uh with gene like
Speaker:Track 2: his like soliloquy or whatever about vietnam
Speaker:Track 2: bomb oh i wrote down because like you know you're talking about like politics
Speaker:Track 2: and stuff because and gene is obviously a vietnam veteran or whatever and i
Speaker:Track 2: wrote this down i was like you know because oh we had a guy like that in our
Speaker:Track 2: community growing up like whenever there would be like a thing he would show
Speaker:Track 2: up and he would you know be in his camo jacket sort of like crawling around the.
Speaker:Track 3: Bombs were going down yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: He would be doing like that And I wrote down that, like, you know,
Speaker:Track 2: the, the, like, Iraqi and Afghanistan war veterans, they're not as fun as the Vietnam veterans.
Speaker:Track 3: They don't quite have the Oliver Stone, like, energy that we need, you know.
Speaker:Track 2: Jacob's Ladder. Yeah, they don't have to survive.
Speaker:evan: Yeah, he had the right of mind to do some comedy bits while he was having his
Speaker:evan: PTSD, like, moments, chopping, like, potatoes.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah.
Speaker:evan: You know, in the.
Speaker:Track 2: It's so good.
Speaker:evan: I just love his interaction. I think you mentioned already with Gary,
Speaker:evan: like when he's in the kitchen, he's like, I think Paul Rudd or one of them asked
Speaker:evan: for like the mashed potatoes and he's like gets all pissed off and like just
Speaker:evan: slams backwards and, you know, just everyone keeps a straight face.
Speaker:evan: I mean, I sometimes wonder how many takes they needed for some of these scenes
Speaker:evan: of just that are just so funny that it would be hard to just keep straight.
Speaker:Track 2: I want to say i don't know if you mentioned but h john benjamin played yes i did not mention that.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah talking vegetables yeah oh.
Speaker:Track 2: And uh there's a really funny line uh the dungeon master nerd i never noticed
Speaker:Track 2: this uh watch but he says any dungeon master worth his weight in geldings always
Speaker:Track 2: has a 20-sided dice a gelding is a castrated horse.
Speaker:Track 3: So like that's.
Speaker:Track 2: Really funny like any dungeon master worth his weight it uh castrated horses
Speaker:Track 2: i thought that was really good yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: Probably take a couple pounds off and.
Speaker:Track 2: I yeah and i love the nerds are really funny whenever they're like one of them's
Speaker:Track 2: like maybe we should all just let them die and.
Speaker:Track 3: Then one's like no he's like no my.
Speaker:Track 2: Friend jimmy's there he's like you have a friend he's like no i'm just kidding.
Speaker:Track 3: Well then.
Speaker:evan: I think they like later on they're like we're all friends you know like these
Speaker:evan: are you're like my only friend.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah i i like uh the way david wayne
Speaker:Track 3: like is a lot of times parody movies
Speaker:Track 3: can sometimes be a little too much like i think we're like
Speaker:Track 3: naked gun and like airplane succeed i think this these
Speaker:Track 3: movies do too like they came together i think david wayne
Speaker:Track 3: is really good at finding like really specific tropes like
Speaker:Track 3: uh there's one scene when ken marino and
Speaker:Track 3: joe latrullio are driving to the river to go
Speaker:Track 3: on their little trip and like joe latrullio just has like a like a
Speaker:Track 3: protractor in his hand and it's like oh he's the math nerd
Speaker:Track 3: like it's like stupid 80s like comedy shit
Speaker:Track 3: like that like it's it's yeah always funny to me or like and they came together
Speaker:Track 3: there's a gag with like a bag of groceries that is like you're just like typical
Speaker:Track 3: like movie bag of groceries of like lettuce and like a baguette when they go
Speaker:Track 3: into town oh yeah yeah yeah oh when they go into town that's like one of the best even um.
Speaker:Track 2: I was going to say, you mentioned the softball scene. I had,
Speaker:Track 2: like, MASH vibes at the end of MASH.
Speaker:evan: Oh, yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: The big football scene. Also, anytime someone says, like, day by day,
Speaker:Track 2: like, hey, you have to take it day by day, I always go, day by day.
Speaker:Track 3: Day by day.
Speaker:Track 2: Day by day. Also, I just want to say, I am also so old that I ate Tyrannosaurus
Speaker:Track 2: eggs and wrapped a bacon.
Speaker:Track 3: Instead of cots, we laid on slams.
Speaker:Track 2: My classmate was fucking jesus christ.
Speaker:evan: For me that scene is what's almost funnier to me than like the jokes which are
Speaker:evan: like you know corny is actually the reactions of laughter by the by the campers
Speaker:evan: those are what makes me laugh so rolling.
Speaker:Track 3: In the aisles.
Speaker:evan: Yeah just you know yeah when.
Speaker:Track 2: They react to godspell with booze.
Speaker:Track 3: It's like hissing like a beautiful performance of a song from Maxwell and they hate it, yeah.
Speaker:evan: I think when Beth is kissing, they play the acoustic version of Kisses Beth,
Speaker:evan: which I think then came up again in another Wayne movie with her in it.
Speaker:Track 3: Role models.
Speaker:Track 2: Role models, yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: Paul Redd sings it at the end.
Speaker:evan: Yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah, he loves that song.
Speaker:evan: Having that, like, that exact, just, like, playing that song at that exact moment,
Speaker:evan: like, those, like, little bits are just, I don't know, they're just perfect.
Speaker:Track 3: I like that when, And whenever it does start to get kind of real or whatever,
Speaker:Track 3: like they immediately start pointing it out to the point and like to make it
Speaker:Track 3: uncomfortable again, like or to make it funny again. They just keep like pointing
Speaker:Track 3: out what they're doing. I think it's really clever.
Speaker:Track 2: There's a bunch of references to Ruth Buzzy, the comedic actors like Ruth Buzzy
Speaker:Track 2: and Jane Fonda for some reason.
Speaker:Track 2: Oh, yeah. The Three Mile Island. The kids want to watch Three Mile.
Speaker:Track 2: Or no, the kids want to watch China Syndrome again. Yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: Which I looked it up. That came out 12 days before the Three Mile Island disaster.
Speaker:Track 3: That's crazy.
Speaker:evan: It's just a crazy film that like a bunch of kids would have been watching.
Speaker:evan: Like, yeah, let's watch China Syndrome again. Not like, you know,
Speaker:evan: well, I guess Goonies hadn't come out yet. I don't know. Something.
Speaker:Track 3: Then like the Clute reference.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:evan: Clute. Oh, that would have been. Wait, what's the one? Oh, Parallax View hadn't come out.
Speaker:Track 3: Parallax View, yeah.
Speaker:evan: Wait, that came out after this. So that wouldn't have worked.
Speaker:Track 2: The line we always used to quote like in high school is, I need some lube for my pussy. My pussy.
Speaker:Track 2: it's pretty gross but like you know we were kids.
Speaker:evan: Yeah well.
Speaker:Track 3: I i love the uh the going into town scene too
Speaker:Track 3: because it's i don't know there's just something about it of like they're so excited
Speaker:Track 3: to go into town and like apparently this was
Speaker:Track 3: uh this goes back to like the earliest scripts like they had like they had this
Speaker:Track 3: all like written out like pretty early on but it's so good like it starts they're
Speaker:Track 3: like eating mcdonald's fries and then like it escalates to like they're getting
Speaker:Track 3: a pack of beer and they're smoking weed and then they're buying a bag of coke
Speaker:Track 3: and like robbing old it's great because.
Speaker:Track 2: It has the punchline when they
Speaker:Track 2: get back he's like it's great to go into town even if it's for only an.
Speaker:Track 3: Hour.
Speaker:evan: Or whatever that's so good yeah apparently
Speaker:evan: the part where they are doing like the pretending to
Speaker:evan: shoot heroin i think that uh showalter was like actually
Speaker:evan: nervous about that he's like oh you're not gonna like actually hit me
Speaker:evan: with the needle or anything right and and then i think in the and then
Speaker:evan: like behind in the behind the scenes they're like oh like
Speaker:evan: where did you get the heroin and he's like oh i think i what does
Speaker:evan: he joke he says i got it from i forget which cast member maybe
Speaker:evan: it was paul rutt i don't know like they like jokingly say that they got it from
Speaker:evan: one of the other cast members and it was just they all thought it was hilarious
Speaker:evan: so good that that scene was always one of my just like this is just so insane
Speaker:evan: and they come back and like they're not high anymore they're just like running
Speaker:evan: around yeah we didn't just do heroin 22 minutes ago or whatever we.
Speaker:Track 3: Didn't just like go through years and years yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: Junior garoffo is really funny there's a
Speaker:Track 2: There's a moment where she's with my great Mara and she tells her like,
Speaker:Track 2: oh yeah, I use moose for my hair. She goes, moose?
Speaker:Track 2: And she does like hand gestures for like a moose's antlers or whatever.
Speaker:evan: Oh i i don't think i mentioned this at the beginning but uh when
Speaker:evan: i was probably i don't know it's probably around this time like
Speaker:evan: the early 2000s i don't know if it was from this
Speaker:evan: or maybe because from dogman which came out what maybe like two or
Speaker:evan: three years after this i always had like the biggest crush on genie garofalo
Speaker:evan: and then when i like watch this like whenever i watched this movie i'm like
Speaker:evan: and especially in the behind the scenes she's just extremely funny obviously
Speaker:evan: she was like a standard stand of comedy and so that was kind of her she's like
Speaker:evan: good on her feet I do wonder,
Speaker:evan: you said that they originally wanted this to be improv.
Speaker:evan: Do you think that still some of the lines were? I couldn't find anything that's said.
Speaker:Track 3: I think the way it worked, I think David Wayne said it was kind of like do your
Speaker:Track 3: best type thing of try to follow the lines.
Speaker:Track 3: But a lot of these people hadn't been in a movie before.
Speaker:Track 3: And so it was like they had to kind of be loose with it. But Janine Ruffalo,
Speaker:Track 3: though, notably, on Air America with Sam Seder, she was like a big opponent
Speaker:Track 3: of the Iraq War and stuff. She was.
Speaker:Track 2: Oh, yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: I mean, she's still around. I say she died or something. She's still around.
Speaker:Track 3: She's still hanging out. But she's cool. Her and like Marc Maron and a few other comedians.
Speaker:Track 3: I think like Al Franken, who is
Speaker:Track 3: now, you know, sort of not in the public anymore. I don't know about it.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah. they all showed up in the altman like miniseries tanner on tanner uh very
Speaker:Track 3: briefly but yeah a bunch of the air america people were were on.
Speaker:evan: There been in anything in a little while i don't think i.
Speaker:Track 3: Saw like a clip of her recently like yeah i don't know if she's doing like comedy
Speaker:Track 3: and stuff anymore of like was she on like a big sitcom or anything like is she
Speaker:Track 3: just like cashing like royalty checks now i have no idea.
Speaker:evan: I'm just looking at her like she's been in shows in the last you know like 10
Speaker:evan: 12 years but nothing more than like you know 10 episodes you know 10 episodes
Speaker:evan: here five there like shows i actually haven't even heard of i remember she was
Speaker:evan: on west wing for a little like that was a while ago now for a little bit she was on 24 in the.
Speaker:Track 2: Mid 2000s i know she still does stand-up
Speaker:Track 2: i remember i went i think it was like it was some like three-day festival in
Speaker:Track 2: austin fun fun fun fun fest or something like that or f.i.f something like that
Speaker:Track 2: whatever but um yeah she was doing stand-up in a tent so even when she wasn't
Speaker:Track 2: doing like movies or whatever i think like she's always steady she's a stand-up
Speaker:Track 2: you know she's old school like.
Speaker:Track 3: That yeah yeah.
Speaker:evan: I would i would.
Speaker:Track 3: See if she came to.
Speaker:evan: If she did a show i would definitely try i haven't seen her do stand-up before.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah um i i just want to
Speaker:Track 3: talk more about ken marino's weird plot because
Speaker:Track 3: i love when uh joe latruglia is on the raft and they're like we won't want vic
Speaker:Track 3: back or whatever and he's like we all do sammy he's like my name's not sammy
Speaker:Track 3: and then he's like okay i'll go i'm gonna go get him guys and he just hops off
Speaker:Track 3: and like there's a motorcycle just waiting there that entire that entire scene.
Speaker:evan: To me is i know like of all like the things that are sort of like very satirical
Speaker:evan: and everything like that one just like with the music that also would be one
Speaker:evan: of the three montage i think you said there's three different montages in this like also like the.
Speaker:Track 3: Bale of hay in the in.
Speaker:evan: The in like the center of the road and he's like.
Speaker:Track 3: Oh fuck damn it got away slow motion jump over it yeah it's very like silent
Speaker:Track 3: movie kind of level humor just like a guy chasing another guy even.
Speaker:Track 2: In the 10 years later sequel they still keep up the bit of Camerino being a
Speaker:Track 2: virgin, which is really funny.
Speaker:Track 3: He's like, I want her inside.
Speaker:evan: Yeah, that's why I wrote that.
Speaker:Track 3: Maybe Michael St. Welty says that, but he's like, oh, she was talking to you.
Speaker:Track 3: That means she definitely wants to fuck me.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah. Is she saying anything about me? She wants to fuck me?
Speaker:Track 2: Camerino's so funny because he was in the league and stuff.
Speaker:Track 2: I love a guy who's, because he looks like a jock.
Speaker:Track 2: I'm sure he probably was and he's super handsome, but also just fucking funny
Speaker:Track 2: as fuck and unafraid to make himself like stupid or whatever.
Speaker:Track 2: Like one of my favorites.
Speaker:evan: Yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: So good.
Speaker:Track 3: Party Down.
Speaker:evan: Party Down.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah.
Speaker:evan: The first two seasons, or I guess the first, the original run of that show is
Speaker:evan: just some of the best, one of the best shows ever, I don't know. So good.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah. Well, and, uh,
Speaker:Track 3: I like, it is such a great 80s parody too of like every single guy in this is
Speaker:Track 3: like, other girls are purely like objects of our desire.
Speaker:Track 3: And like, it's purely like a pursuit of like getting laid. And it's not like
Speaker:Track 3: anything deeper than that. Like we don't actually want to be friends with any of these girls.
Speaker:Track 3: Like, they're like, oh, we could just be friends. And it's like a huge letdown,
Speaker:Track 3: like the friend zone or whatever, you know, like.
Speaker:evan: Well that's like uh katie's uh like telling coop like you know like that they
Speaker:evan: they're not going to be together the next day and explaining she's like i like
Speaker:evan: you a lot but like paul rutt he's just really really really hot like i'm gonna
Speaker:evan: just have sex with him okay i'm 16 like that's explaining in there's.
Speaker:Track 2: A bit yeah in the prequel where it's like amy poehler has an affair with john
Speaker:Track 2: slattery from madman um roger sterling and uh like when they kind of a spoiler
Speaker:Track 2: but when they break it off she's like i'm only 16.
Speaker:evan: Which is really.
Speaker:Track 2: Funny because it's a.b. polar but she's like and she's like yeah one day you'll
Speaker:Track 2: make you'll make an underage girl very happy i was gonna say kim arena was also
Speaker:Track 2: in uh eastbound and down i always forget oh yeah he's so good in that yeah he
Speaker:Track 2: said yeah reno 911 like uh yeah children's hospital he's the man he.
Speaker:evan: Was It's also in, what was that show? I was just thinking about it.
Speaker:evan: It was only on, I think, like two, oh, Happy Endings. Have you seen that?
Speaker:Track 2: Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: I don't think I've seen that.
Speaker:evan: That's a bunch of people.
Speaker:Track 3: There was a David Wayne show. It was called, like, Medical Police or something like that from 2020.
Speaker:evan: Oh, yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: I remember watching that, and it's really good. It's, like, up there with his
Speaker:Track 3: episodes he did of, like, Children's Hospital.
Speaker:evan: Oh, yeah. That movie, isn't that show, like, with, oh, God, I don't remember who else was in it.
Speaker:Track 3: It's, like, Rob Hubel.
Speaker:evan: Oh, right. I thought it was Rob Cordy.
Speaker:Track 3: Rob Corddry, yeah. Rob Corddry is the clown doctor.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: There's a character named Dr. Jason Manzoukas, but he's not played by Jason
Speaker:Track 3: Manzoukas. It's a really good bit.
Speaker:evan: One of the other things that I saw in the documentary, I think they were going
Speaker:evan: to make Michael Showalter's character be like a murderer and it would be uncovered
Speaker:evan: that he killed a bunch of people but his parents apparently made him change
Speaker:evan: it because they thought it was the worst thing and it would have ruined the movie.
Speaker:evan: So they changed and they cut that whole part from it or something.
Speaker:evan: I'm pretty sure it was Michael Showalter and his parents because they do interview.
Speaker:evan: His parents were there, I think, as well as David Wayne's parents at the shooting
Speaker:evan: of this film. Which is cute.
Speaker:Track 3: The scene you mentioned when, what's her name? Katie or whatever.
Speaker:Track 3: She's like, yeah, I'm going to go be with Paul Rudd because he's chiseled.
Speaker:Track 3: He looks like he's chiseled out of marble.
Speaker:Track 3: I love the editing in that scene where it just keeps cutting back to Michael
Speaker:Track 3: Showalter. They're like nodding and smiling. He's just like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah, I was going to say that that's one of like the funniest,
Speaker:Track 2: like kind of underrated parts of this film, especially in like the Molly Shannon scenes.
Speaker:Track 2: Like they're like reaction shots of the kids, especially that are just so fucking funny.
Speaker:Track 2: It will be like somebody be talking to those cuts to a kid and just looking
Speaker:Track 2: kind of like confused or whatever.
Speaker:Track 2: It's OK. It's a great touch.
Speaker:evan: And they weren't actors. They took out an ad in the newspaper to get the kids to be in this movie.
Speaker:evan: And they I mean, maybe them were like aspiring like child actors,
Speaker:evan: I guess could have been. But they also had a bunch of scenes with them,
Speaker:evan: like, interacting with the cast and, like, getting advice from them and just,
Speaker:evan: you know, these, it must have been so hysterical.
Speaker:Track 3: David Wayne talked about the audition for the kid that won't shower, the radio kid.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: And he said, like, he was so bizarre, like, he was homeschooled.
Speaker:Track 3: And they were like, oh, like, what's that like being homeschooled?
Speaker:Track 3: And he's like, well, it's great because I'm the best kid in the class,
Speaker:Track 3: but also I'm the worst kid in the class.
Speaker:Track 3: Like, that's the letdown, you know? And they were like, okay, we have to hire this kid.
Speaker:Track 3: But apparently he was so bad at remembering lines or reading the script that
Speaker:Track 3: they got Sam Levine to dub over his lines from like Freaks and Geeks.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah, it works well because in the prequel they have, they do a similar thing
Speaker:Track 2: where they like recast the kid, but they get Sam Levine to do the radio voice.
Speaker:Track 2: And then in the sequel, they actually just have Sam Levine as the beekeeper.
Speaker:evan: Yeah well the uh they also said that apparently the kid who goes water skiing
Speaker:evan: in the in the film they asked him to be like oh can you water ski is it call
Speaker:evan: you i can water ski and then he couldn't actually water ski so they had to like
Speaker:evan: figure out how to teach him to
Speaker:evan: water ski just for long enough to get that shot which i think is classic.
Speaker:Track 2: Actor thing to do.
Speaker:evan: Yeah of course i can do it like they probably assume you wouldn't actually have
Speaker:evan: to do it and they just were asking him and exactly Sure, I can ride a horse.
Speaker:Track 2: Your agent will tell you to do that. They'll be like, have you ever ridden a
Speaker:Track 2: horse? Yes. Okay, then put that on that you can ride a horse.
Speaker:Track 2: Can you imagine yourself on a horse? Put that down that you can ride a horse.
Speaker:Track 3: Can you imagine yourself speaking Spanish?
Speaker:Track 2: Right. Yeah. The Duolingo app. You got the ear. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:evan: The other thing that was like a big thing in the documentary,
Speaker:evan: I think I asked you both if you had heard of the game Snaps,
Speaker:evan: which I think it might stand for something or whatever, But it's basically,
Speaker:evan: I remember kids playing this when I was younger, but I don't think I understood how to play.
Speaker:evan: And part of the running joke was a lot of the cats didn't understand for the
Speaker:evan: entire month how to play until like the last day.
Speaker:evan: They're having dinner and they're like, oh, I think I get how this game works.
Speaker:evan: And then they have them try and play and they still don't get it.
Speaker:Track 3: Do you, what is the, could you tell me the premise of the game?
Speaker:evan: The premise of the game is that you say is like the, so you think of,
Speaker:evan: or someone gives you like a celebrity or an actor or something.
Speaker:evan: and you then have to... One person is essentially the...
Speaker:evan: person giving the clues and then you have like the guesser i
Speaker:evan: guess or it could be multiple people and you have to say like the
Speaker:evan: name of the game is snaps or the name of the game isn't snaps if
Speaker:evan: you say it is that means you're gonna help spell
Speaker:evan: the name of the actor whereas if you isn't you're
Speaker:evan: gonna give a clue to them so like if the actor was you
Speaker:evan: know uh you know tom cruise and you
Speaker:evan: wanted to give the clue like mission impossible or something you could
Speaker:evan: say isn't and then you would have to snap and then the way
Speaker:evan: you would give the clue is the first letter of the sentence you said
Speaker:evan: was the letter of the word and then snapping was
Speaker:evan: vowel so it was like a is one snap b or uh i is two whatever and so on and so
Speaker:evan: you'd have to give them a few clues but they were like david wayne and a few
Speaker:evan: of them were like michael showwater were so good they would give like two or
Speaker:evan: three like clues and they'd be they would get it every time like in the in the scene they.
Speaker:Track 3: Were they were down in the theater kid minds like playing.
Speaker:evan: Yeah or like i don't know i mean they also could have edited in a way that it
Speaker:evan: like seemed like i don't know but sure it just this was a game that they were
Speaker:evan: just playing throughout it i think they apparently still play when they like
Speaker:evan: hang out with each other which is pretty well.
Speaker:Track 3: And notably uh david wayne i believe he said like he went to summer camp a few
Speaker:Track 3: years and then he became a camp.
Speaker:evan: Counselor like.
Speaker:Track 3: When he was 16 but all the other campers are like 15 so it's like yeah you're
Speaker:Track 3: one year older than everybody so it's like a lot of just like yeah go do your
Speaker:Track 3: own thing i'll go do my own thing like we're pretty much the same age like i'm
Speaker:Track 3: not gonna boss you around or whatever so it's a lot of hanging out.
Speaker:evan: Which is kind of the way that the counselors act
Speaker:evan: in this show like they're just basically there to hang
Speaker:evan: out except for molly shannon who's you know clearly older
Speaker:evan: than the rest of them and i always found her like
Speaker:evan: scene like the whole thing with her divorce and then later when you know the
Speaker:evan: husband comes or and he's like telling her to go away yeah judah free yeah it's
Speaker:evan: such a like that is hat it's a it's a really good like follow through of that
Speaker:evan: plot all the way she's like practicing the phone call like be strong yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: And the payoff that she's.
Speaker:evan: Gonna marry that marries the kid the kid's.
Speaker:Track 3: Really funny yeah he's great he's that's probably the best kid actor they got.
Speaker:evan: Oh I don't.
Speaker:Track 2: Want to sound like I'm talking against my gender excuse the Yiddish but we can
Speaker:Track 2: be real you know whatever but yeah he's really good and it's a great payoff
Speaker:Track 2: too yeah and again the rare Judah Freelander without his trekker hat.
Speaker:evan: Yeah yeah like he just got the big fro i.
Speaker:Track 3: Saw a funny clip of judah friedlander doing crowd work recently and like he's
Speaker:Track 3: like you know he asks the guy he's like where are you from and he's like israel
Speaker:Track 3: and he's like oh you mean palestine that's great he just keeps like hammering
Speaker:Track 3: on it like for like 10 minutes it's really yeah that rocks.
Speaker:evan: One of the things i was doing too this was i
Speaker:evan: don't i don't know if i told you this i think i made my last like letterbox
Speaker:evan: review was just this i was counting how many times a character uses the middle
Speaker:evan: finger in it yeah and i and i got i thought it was four the first time and then
Speaker:evan: i was just kind of then i was counting like if they did it twice like at the
Speaker:evan: same time it was mostly paul rudd who did it i think he has like three or four
Speaker:evan: of the five yeah it's early on when they do it a bunch and then they just stops doing it.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah the the things you start noticing on like your 20th.
Speaker:evan: Or whatever.
Speaker:Track 3: Like yeah i only just started noticing how recycled the cast is like the outside
Speaker:Track 3: of the main characters like they clearly had a small cast And so they would
Speaker:Track 3: just move them around and like, uh, the one girl that's like the punk rock kid,
Speaker:Track 3: the one that's like 90 minutes.
Speaker:Track 3: That's like how long a mixtape is, which is a very stupid, like eighties line.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah. Uh, she's in the like Godspell performance, like doing the lead.
Speaker:Track 3: Like they just move people around like all the time. So, yeah,
Speaker:Track 3: I think that was part of like the magic of this too was, uh,
Speaker:Track 3: you know, the low budget film.
Speaker:evan: That song was written for this, right? That the.
Speaker:Track 2: Oh, the, uh, the day by day. That's a song from Godspell. I actually looked
Speaker:Track 2: it up a little bit because, oh, sorry.
Speaker:evan: Not that one. Wasn't there like the other song?
Speaker:Track 3: The credit song?
Speaker:evan: Yeah, the credit song.
Speaker:evan: Did they write it?
Speaker:Track 3: I don't know. Yeah, I didn't hear about that.
Speaker:evan: But probably. Wait, what's the song you're talking about? You're talking about Day by Day.
Speaker:Track 2: Oh, yeah. I was saying, because I looked it up, like, Godspell and Jesus Christ Superstar.
Speaker:Track 2: Like, in the 70s, there was this, like, there were all these,
Speaker:Track 2: like, musicals that were, like, Christian.
Speaker:Track 2: But, like, Christians hated them because they thought they were,
Speaker:Track 2: like, you know, sacrilegious or whatever. But I guess mainstream audiences.
Speaker:Track 3: Hey, Jesus Christ Superstar has some good songs. Yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: I mean, the performance of Day by Day in this is really good.
Speaker:Track 3: No actually I was booing when they did I.
Speaker:evan: Was saying it.
Speaker:Track 3: Was horrible it's funny cause just so you know all these performers suck dick
Speaker:Track 3: I love what she says that before they go up it's.
Speaker:Track 2: So funny and speaking of stuff like you I didn't realize until like this watch
Speaker:Track 2: like the audience not only are they booing but like they're hissing as well they're like.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah it's so good yeah I was really loving the like the comedian that Michael
Speaker:Track 3: Schroelalter played I fucking was cracking up at that character I was like it's so stupid
Speaker:Track 3: stupid a lot of the jokes and the that stick with
Speaker:Track 3: me in this are just the the stupidest jokes like the crate and barrel box or
Speaker:Track 3: like yeah like the just weird little details like that or like the pottery shatter
Speaker:Track 3: sound effect uh that they use like 50 times like he throws the like garden shovel
Speaker:Track 3: and it's like like the cracking pottery sound yeah.
Speaker:evan: Oh so the song show me the fever which is the like the theme song was around
Speaker:evan: for the movie i don't does i.
Speaker:Track 3: Can't i.
Speaker:evan: Didn't see who wrote it or it's classic it sounds like a song that could have
Speaker:evan: been like you know journey or like you know i think jefferson starship is in
Speaker:evan: it a bunch like actual songs.
Speaker:Track 3: So yeah oh jay yeah a big notable thing and this is the licensed music because
Speaker:Track 3: this is like right before you it became very difficult to use licensed movie
Speaker:Track 3: music and movies because you used to be able to do what was called like a step
Speaker:Track 3: deal which was like you could get a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a,
Speaker:Track 3: music and movies for really cheap as long as the gross was under a certain amount
Speaker:Track 3: and if it went over that then you'd have to start paying more but because this
Speaker:Track 3: is so low budget and like didn't really make its money then they never really
Speaker:Track 3: had to worry about that yeah imagine if it had like been a runaway hit and they're.
Speaker:evan: Like having to pay you know.
Speaker:Track 3: Jefferson starship like.
Speaker:evan: A million dollars i don't know i don't know what.
Speaker:Track 3: They actually david wayne said they still like haven't paid the uh investors
Speaker:Track 3: back for this movie like they still are like every now and then they'll get
Speaker:Track 3: a little check and send it to the investors they.
Speaker:Track 2: Use it in the uh netflix uh sequels as well i love it like that intro yeah jane
Speaker:Track 2: by jefferson starship it's so sick it's one of my favorite.
Speaker:Track 3: It's very like days you're confused of like yeah they're all by the big bonfire
Speaker:Track 3: or whatever and like yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: I mean you've read it a few times but yeah when you asked about like our favorite
Speaker:Track 2: summer movies like yeah days you can choose i i've seen that movie probably
Speaker:Track 2: one of the only movies i've seen it's more than this one,
Speaker:Track 2: yeah I mean it's the first day of summer or whatever still going into Houston
Speaker:Track 2: to get the Marilsman tickets.
Speaker:Track 3: Oh that movie yeah this movie almost feels like an extension of that as well
Speaker:Track 3: like yeah kind of like Gen Xer somewhere.
Speaker:evan: The Dazed and Fused.
Speaker:Track 3: Oh yeah I'll just say that's probably.
Speaker:evan: One of the movies I've seen probably more than this like that and like the Big Lebowski Dazed.
Speaker:Track 3: And Fused yeah I feel like we'll probably talk about it on the show one day
Speaker:Track 3: maybe we can have you come by for it or something I love that I feel like inevitably
Speaker:Track 3: we'll do it just because it's like yeah a commonality between us actually.
Speaker:evan: I'm surprised i didn't suggest that because that would have been like a
Speaker:evan: not that this is like not an amazing movie but that also is uh such a so many
Speaker:evan: stories and actually the what was i just gonna say about it like i i hope i
Speaker:evan: know that there's a blu-ray but i want them to like come out with a i don't
Speaker:evan: know like a 4k with even more behind the scenes i actually don't have this movie
Speaker:evan: on uh blu-ray which i should .
Speaker:Track 3: Blu-ray is good. It didn't even come out that long ago either.
Speaker:Track 3: It took them a while to get it out, but it's really good. It looks great.
Speaker:evan: I know.
Speaker:Track 3: I need to get it.
Speaker:Track 2: How about Blu-ray? I remember when I was a kid, I got a five-day rental of Days
Speaker:Track 2: of Confused and watched it every night for five days.
Speaker:Track 2: I think I watched it twice one night. I love that movie.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah i was excited talk about summer
Speaker:Track 3: you know has become a big summer movie for me after we
Speaker:Track 3: did altman was his movie oc and stiggs which
Speaker:Track 3: i have now watched every summer since we
Speaker:Track 3: covered it on the show because it's i think it's kind of in the vein of out
Speaker:Track 3: american summer a little bit too of like for sure parading it's parodying movies
Speaker:Track 3: that are like not even out yet like that's how ahead of the curve that movie
Speaker:Track 3: is and it's like kind of based on a national lampoon thing uh yeah and And it's a whole wild ride.
Speaker:Track 3: And it's kind of mean-spirited. Like, it's very fun.
Speaker:evan: Wait, what movie is this?
Speaker:Track 3: It's Robert Altman's film, O.C. and Stiggs.
Speaker:evan: Oh, I have not seen this.
Speaker:Track 3: I think it came out in, like, 87 or something.
Speaker:evan: Oh, yeah, 87. You got it right. I have not seen this. I'm going to have to check this out.
Speaker:Track 3: Check it out. It's good. I could send you a link to, like, a spreadsheet of
Speaker:Track 3: all. We have all of his movies linked in there.
Speaker:evan: Oh, yeah. I think I still have. You sent that to me at some point. I bet I still have it.
Speaker:Track 3: We have a Jonathan Demme one now, too, if you want to.
Speaker:evan: No, but I, but if you, if you, yeah, you should, if you remember to send it
Speaker:evan: to me after I, but it's funny.
Speaker:evan: I was just looking, you can buy Wet Hot American Summer Blu-ray for $9. So that's.
Speaker:Track 3: Hell yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: Hell yeah. Yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: Good deal.
Speaker:evan: That's kind of, in a way, like kind of makes me sad. It can't even make,
Speaker:evan: uh, you know, even at like websites that I've never, like oldies.com,
Speaker:evan: which I don't think I've ever, I wouldn't order from there, but it's $10 and 30 cents.
Speaker:evan: It's like 30 cents over, you know, market rate or whatever.
Speaker:Track 3: I have, like, a bunch of other notes just from watching the movie.
Speaker:evan: Oh, please.
Speaker:Track 3: It's mostly just, like, favorite bits.
Speaker:evan: Oh, yeah. Please. We haven't talked about everything yet.
Speaker:Track 3: The softball game bit is probably one of my favorites of, like,
Speaker:Track 3: we have to have the big culminating climactic softball game that was never established.
Speaker:Track 3: And, like, I love that he just is, like, we had a kooky training period.
Speaker:Track 3: It seemed like nothing was going to go right. Somehow we made it to the finals.
Speaker:Track 3: And, of course, we have the anonymously evil, like, rival camp.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: And then the bus gets there and like, he's like, yeah, the kids aren't into
Speaker:Track 3: it. They said it's like trite. It's kind of hacky.
Speaker:evan: That's the best line that he says. It's trite. Like for me, that is the best line.
Speaker:Track 2: And the other coach goes, he goes, yeah, it is pretty hack. He's like,
Speaker:Track 2: they were totally cool with it.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah. All right. Cool. Let's go back to hanging out.
Speaker:Track 3: Anytime there's like any semblance of like a plot starts coming in there,
Speaker:Track 3: like get that out of here.
Speaker:Track 2: I love when Paul Rudd's like, I'm writing down in my journal. I write in it every day.
Speaker:Track 3: Oh, you mean journal?
Speaker:evan: He's like, I'm not smart like you.
Speaker:Track 3: Smart people call it.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah. Only like three people have access to this.
Speaker:evan: That scene also when he lets the kid just take the boat out and then he brings
Speaker:evan: it back too, like nicely.
Speaker:evan: He just glides into the dock.
Speaker:Track 3: The whole growth of the Gene character,
Speaker:Track 3: his sort of arc of like yeah he just is like really afraid to talk about what
Speaker:Track 3: he's gonna go do in private which was like his dick cream or his uh smearing
Speaker:Track 3: mud on his ass humping the fridge have.
Speaker:Track 2: A great winter i'm gonna go home to fridge.
Speaker:Track 3: But doesn't he get into the car.
Speaker:evan: At the end like is that his supposed to be his wife at the end.
Speaker:Track 3: I have no idea i love his outfit at the end though he looks amazing he's got
Speaker:Track 3: like the big glasses and like the white pants they.
Speaker:evan: Apparently filmed the like the scene where he humps the fridge and they like
Speaker:evan: sort of wheel it out they apparently did that a bunch of times and it's like
Speaker:evan: to get it just to get it right i guess and like i don't know.
Speaker:Track 3: They told the kids to leave i actually.
Speaker:evan: Wonder that too like there's never a scene where uh one of the uh what is it
Speaker:evan: uh who was it one of them makes out with one of the kids like in front of the.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah and she's like.
Speaker:evan: You snooze you lose.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah yeah the girl that ken marino is going after like can't she kiss a child,
Speaker:Track 3: I don't know they might have just been like you know because we see her from
Speaker:Track 3: behind I guess I'm making out with myself type yeah Abby Bernstein,
Speaker:Track 3: Abby yeah yeah yeah um,
Speaker:Track 3: And then, yeah, and then, what's his name?
Speaker:Track 3: Michael Showalter's, like, arc in the movie as well of, like,
Speaker:Track 3: you know, that's another montage of, like, he's training with Gene of,
Speaker:Track 3: like, doing, like, dances.
Speaker:evan: Oh, I love it. Like, that's, like, that gave me, like, very Karate Kid vibes.
Speaker:evan: I mean, I guess that's kind of what they're going for.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah, snatching the thing out of his hand.
Speaker:Track 2: One of, like, the hardest scenes to watch is when Coop is calling his parents.
Speaker:Track 2: and he's like i know you guys have uh worried about me having trouble meeting
Speaker:Track 2: women well worry no more like well.
Speaker:evan: Do you think.
Speaker:Track 2: Raflow's staring at him like.
Speaker:evan: Being like oh.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah it's so good it's so good because he's like i don't know but.
Speaker:Track 3: She does have a big nose clearly.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah yeah it's so
Speaker:Track 2: funny because like that i've 100 have done
Speaker:Track 2: that you know as a teenager at some point was like well my
Speaker:Track 2: troubles are over i found the
Speaker:Track 2: one yeah fuck you i found a girlfriend so i wait he's like i'm gonna marry her
Speaker:Track 2: like they're 16 yeah yeah and then when he sees like when he sees her talking
Speaker:Track 2: to paul rudd and he like walks away and he's like yeah he's like pumps his fists oh another great paul.
Speaker:evan: Rudd scene is when michael showalter goes to talk to him in the bunk and he's
Speaker:evan: like i talked to you for a second he's like that was a second.
Speaker:Track 2: It's like even longer.
Speaker:Track 3: For a second you wanted to talk more than a second oh.
Speaker:Track 2: There's a great bit in the prequel
Speaker:Track 2: where like it's this girl and she's doing cheers by herself on
Speaker:Track 2: the porch she's like boys go to jupiter to
Speaker:Track 2: get more stupider girls go to mars and these superstars
Speaker:Track 2: and then she like runs to a stall and like
Speaker:Track 2: she has her first period or whatever and then like as she's talking through
Speaker:Track 2: the stall so like uh the other women she's like her voice suddenly drops and
Speaker:Track 2: like when she went in it was a child actress and then like she's talking and
Speaker:Track 2: then her voice drops and then when it walks out it's like adult abby and suddenly
Speaker:Track 2: she's like into boys or whatever yeah it's pretty good bit oh man.
Speaker:evan: I gotta i have to i was saying i was i need to it's been a while since i've seen the cool david.
Speaker:Track 3: Wayne loves like switching out one guy for like a texas switch or like uh.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah like joe latrugio.
Speaker:Track 3: And this like the guy on the motorcycle with the.
Speaker:Track 2: Very clear wig on yeah because
Speaker:Track 2: there's like uh yeah there's one shot where they had they showed joe lutruglio
Speaker:Track 2: and he has this crazy wig and they come back to him again and then he has a
Speaker:Track 2: normal wig on it's just like yeah this stuntman like uh yeah clearly like it's
Speaker:Track 2: like some stunt guy they do that in with like in like a dance sequence with like paul red yeah they.
Speaker:Track 3: Do that with the little kids too when they throw him from the van david wayne specifically said that.
Speaker:Track 2: Oh yeah he's like there's a guy in new york he's like.
Speaker:Track 3: Kind of a he's like a little person he's like four feet tall or something and
Speaker:Track 3: like literally like that's what he he does is like he does you need like someone
Speaker:Track 3: to be a child stunt actor and so yeah they're like here's a couple hundred bucks like.
Speaker:evan: Toss you.
Speaker:Track 3: From the van a couple times two different outfits.
Speaker:evan: And you're.
Speaker:Track 3: Good to go.
Speaker:evan: I that's awesome one of the
Speaker:evan: one of the other that like these are they're like things that i've
Speaker:evan: i've noticed and seen a bunch of time but there's a scene early on
Speaker:evan: where there's a bunch of kids that are just sort of like hiking in the
Speaker:evan: woods and every single one of them has like not a game boy because i hadn't
Speaker:evan: come out yet but like you know like an electronic gaming thing or whatever it
Speaker:evan: is playing you know asteroid or something and it just uh like and they're also
Speaker:evan: they mentioned how they went to go see the movie again like they're watching
Speaker:evan: like movies and playing video games it seems like a very loose structured camp,
Speaker:evan: it didn't seem like that from before yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: They're doing ipad.
Speaker:Track 2: Kids stuff in 1981 i looked up because they say exactly what day it is in the
Speaker:Track 2: movie and i looked it up and like nothing happened that day like the most boring is last day in history.
Speaker:Track 3: Well apparently it was 1979 the sky lab was going to crash to earth but it landed
Speaker:Track 3: in like australia but i think david wayne said he was at camp when that happened
Speaker:Track 3: and they were like wondering if it was going to like hit the camp,
Speaker:Track 3: yeah it's gonna hit this very specific camp like.
Speaker:evan: They built a huge like the thing they built apparently was like enormous and
Speaker:evan: took them i think it's like five days to build the like the model sky lab thing they had yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: Oh um it's august 18th 1981 there was like a patent for some random type of
Speaker:Track 2: cigarette that no one bought like it's just a very like chill day one of the
Speaker:Track 2: chillest days in all of american history the.
Speaker:Track 3: Day where truly nothing happened yeah.
Speaker:evan: We're talking about like the politics of it and i think you could probably argue
Speaker:evan: that if you if we had like covered this plus like the prequel and like you have
Speaker:evan: like the reagan stuff like you kind of get a little bit of it but more and just
Speaker:evan: like we're just making fun of this i don't know that it's like overtly meant
Speaker:evan: to be like political statement yeah for.
Speaker:Track 2: Sure michael showalter his reagan
Speaker:Track 2: is so good like he played like his older
Speaker:Track 2: coop is like obviously very awkward for community effect but his
Speaker:Track 2: reagan is like pretty spot on um yeah and i was gonna say like this is like
Speaker:Track 2: the i don't know it's like the best version of like uh gen x but like people
Speaker:Track 2: forget like marjorie taylor green elon musk peter till these are all gen xers
Speaker:Track 2: right like they may be getting something of a pass still but it won't last forever you.
Speaker:evan: Know yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: They talk just like the uh you know the same people.
Speaker:Track 2: I was going to say, because it's like that happened, like I said,
Speaker:Track 2: basically from boomers onward.
Speaker:Track 2: But like, if you go back to like that boomer generation and the hippies and
Speaker:Track 2: like everyone in the 60s, it's like, you know, they see like the Kennedys die.
Speaker:Track 2: They see JF or they see like MLK get shot.
Speaker:Track 2: They see like Fred Hampton get murdered.
Speaker:Track 2: yeah so like all these people either straight
Speaker:Track 2: up get murdered or like get hooked on drugs and
Speaker:Track 2: die from that and everyone who's left over basically
Speaker:Track 2: gets bought out right like they're the eagles or whatever
Speaker:Track 2: you know or yeah or like
Speaker:Track 2: bobby seal doing a cooking show or whatever and like
Speaker:Track 2: so it's like kind of like not like to excuse
Speaker:Track 2: it but it's like you know i guess it's like
Speaker:Track 2: well they killed everybody they killed everyone who really cared or
Speaker:Track 2: whatever and then that kind of like carries is over into
Speaker:Track 2: like you know watch your step and then you kind of
Speaker:Track 2: get shit like you're like stuff that's really apolitical i mean i
Speaker:Track 2: feel like even like taylor swift kind of people give her
Speaker:Track 2: shit for never she never said anything about like pound sign
Speaker:Track 2: or whatever which like it is true like because at some point like
Speaker:Track 2: those few it's just it's a it's a money thing right
Speaker:Track 2: it's corporate and that's why everything kind of sucks is because everything's
Speaker:Track 2: just very corporate or whatever but like at the same
Speaker:Track 2: time it's like like by not saying anything that in and of itself becomes a huge
Speaker:Track 2: statement you know because it's like this happened you know the past almost
Speaker:Track 2: two years have happened and you know uh if you if you haven't said anything
Speaker:Track 2: at this point like why not you know that in and of itself yeah yeah like.
Speaker:Track 3: Neutrality in times of oppression you're siding with the oppressor right like.
Speaker:Track 2: It's like imagine like like we don't go back to like oh yeah there's
Speaker:Track 2: this really funny like comedic film from germany
Speaker:Track 2: from 1943 it's completely apolitical it
Speaker:Track 2: has nothing to do with what was going on like you can appreciate just
Speaker:Track 2: like as a movie like no one does you know what i mean like it's even fucking
Speaker:Track 2: like it's crazy to me like i mean this sort of is in the discourse of superman
Speaker:Track 2: i guess like imagine if like they had made superman and he was like you know
Speaker:Track 2: what i'm actually not going to address the whole like world war ii thing like
Speaker:Track 2: i'm going to kind of stay out of it or whatever like this is so crazy to me that's.
Speaker:Track 3: Why i'll never forgive the minions for what they did you know
Speaker:Track 3: Hiding out during World War II.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah, I mean, even fucking like Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck were addressing the fascist situation.
Speaker:Track 2: But like you couldn't, you know, you couldn't say anything.
Speaker:evan: This like maybe is partly related to like the corporation. I was thinking about this.
Speaker:evan: I think maybe someone wrote an article that I saw on somewhere.
Speaker:evan: but just like the idea that people like you don't really people don't give celebrities
Speaker:evan: shit anymore for like selling.
Speaker:Track 2: Out and doing.
Speaker:evan: Commercials for like everything like think of how many commercials every celebrity
Speaker:evan: you see in any movie is in nowadays not.
Speaker:Track 2: Dude everything.
Speaker:Track 3: So you have to go to japan so people so americans wouldn't like lose their trust exactly.
Speaker:evan: And like so.
Speaker:Track 3: It's just thinking yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: We talk about all the time because like i was watching like pluto tv and i saw
Speaker:Track 2: fucking like ryan seacrest doing uh he was doing an ad for like a mobile gaming casino called like,
Speaker:Track 2: uh like poke choco it was a really good name.
Speaker:Track 3: I forget what it was.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah i wish it was so it was so weird but like you
Speaker:Track 2: see that all like eva longoria i saw her i'm like
Speaker:Track 2: didn't she just do a fucking like uh fucking cheetos
Speaker:Track 2: movie i don't know but they're like the office people they're like doing i mean
Speaker:Track 2: you see that a lot i mean even like big stars like uh i don't like uh chris
Speaker:Track 2: pratt and the monopoly go ads yeah oh yeah yeah those are the ray-ban commercials
Speaker:Track 2: with uh chris hemsworth and chris pratt like i.
Speaker:Track 3: Was telling you i saw one recently for aura with robert.
Speaker:Track 2: Downey jr.
Speaker:Track 3: And i was like what is.
Speaker:Track 2: Robert downey.
Speaker:Track 3: Jr he has billions of dollars by now he must like with a b.
Speaker:Track 2: Matt damon larry uh larry david uh all the crypto spike lee all did crypto commercials
Speaker:Track 2: see we should like not that's not cool we that i like the.
Speaker:Track 3: Spike lee one was like particularly bad because it was like.
Speaker:Track 2: Because it's selling it to african-american people yeah exactly it was like black people this.
Speaker:Track 3: Is our new currency or whatever.
Speaker:Track 2: It's so credit to me what are you doing bro and we
Speaker:Track 2: should we should give these people so much more shit i mean matt mcconaughey
Speaker:Track 2: still does it but i'll never forget the one because i watch you know
Speaker:Track 2: i went to uc so i watch all the football games but there's a crypto commercial that
Speaker:Track 2: i always play where he's like well ai ever gain sentience or
Speaker:Track 2: gain consciousness well we and i'm like fuck
Speaker:Track 2: you dude like maybe not you specifically will ever gain consciousness because
Speaker:Track 2: you're a fucking dullard but like yeah we already have man keep up you know
Speaker:Track 2: like i uh i hate that shit but thank you for reminding me i'll make a list of
Speaker:Track 2: every every celebrity who ever did a fucking crypto commercial or any sort of
Speaker:Track 2: gambling uh related like online that shit is evil dude yeah.
Speaker:evan: Well, now it's like, I mean, to even go further, like basically there's someone I think wrote a,
Speaker:evan: either wrote a book or maybe they were talking about this of also how just like
Speaker:evan: the sports industry and all the sports networks are basically just in bed with
Speaker:evan: gambling, like sports gambling.
Speaker:Track 3: It's like unwatchable now.
Speaker:evan: Yeah. Crypto Arena or something.
Speaker:Track 2: It hits me.
Speaker:evan: Or whatever.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah. The prevalence of like, yeah, like sports gambling and stuff.
Speaker:Track 3: Like now they just show the like odds numbers during games and stuff.
Speaker:Track 2: Described them completely like corrupted it yeah
Speaker:Track 2: how quickly like the mainstream and like the networks and the leagues themselves
Speaker:Track 2: have embraced it and there's already like multiple like uh scandals right regarding
Speaker:Track 2: players like fixing because that's why we kept it out of we kept gambling out
Speaker:Track 2: of sports for so long because this is what happens right they're gonna start
Speaker:Track 2: fixing games and it's been for a while and start uh.
Speaker:Track 3: Being like yeah i'll throw this.
Speaker:Track 2: Game yeah probably like um
Speaker:Track 2: fucking it has made sports unwatchable as someone
Speaker:Track 2: who like my whole life i've loved fucking sports it has
Speaker:Track 2: made it literally unwatchable to me and like i
Speaker:Track 2: i remember seeing a video and i think they said within like
Speaker:Track 2: the first five years like 2019 to 2024 i think people lost something americans
Speaker:Track 2: lost like 250 billion dollars like on sports gambling and that's all just an
Speaker:Track 2: upward transfer of wealth that's all that's happening right they're just taking
Speaker:Track 2: poor people's money and giving it to the rich as they do with every fucking thing in this country.
Speaker:evan: People stop playing the lottery and they need to find a new way to steal your
Speaker:evan: money. I mean, I guess you could argue...
Speaker:Track 2: It's the same thing with...
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah well i was gonna say.
Speaker:Track 2: It's the same thing with crypto like i like these are these are theoretically
Speaker:Track 2: currencies right that you would use to buy stuff but instead it's just pump
Speaker:Track 2: and dump schemes it's like yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: Like it's literally just meant to be bought and sold yeah and traded yeah and
Speaker:Track 3: i think you know i don't i forget how we got dealt this rabbit hole but like,
Speaker:Track 3: gambling and sports like that it ruins sports like socially too because it makes
Speaker:Track 3: people like oh yeah angry like they don't longer just like they just want to
Speaker:Track 3: see their team win it's like Now there's money involved and like now that it's like personal.
Speaker:Track 2: It becomes really sad.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: I went to Vegas once and I gambled it because I wanted to play the tables,
Speaker:Track 2: you know, like, uh, like I went to the old part of Vegas.
Speaker:Track 2: I don't want to play to anyone, but it was like a once in a lifetime thing for
Speaker:Track 2: me. But like, I don't do it online or, you know, whatever, or any of the apps.
Speaker:Track 2: I knew someone who like, I, it's okay if I guess I don't say his name,
Speaker:Track 2: but I had a coworker here.
Speaker:Track 2: I knew like quit drinking, but he was like a degenerate gambler and that's all
Speaker:Track 2: he would talk about. and I'm like Las Vegas sober yeah I was like that's a great
Speaker:Track 2: that's great dude yeah I was like is this any better because like this is still
Speaker:Track 2: pretty sad to me you know yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: I'm Nevada sober I stopped drinking but.
Speaker:Track 2: Now I'm addicted to gambling yeah that's crazy and like we watch like we love
Speaker:Track 2: Bob but he's like a notorious gambler and honestly like it's really funny Robert
Speaker:Track 2: Allman but like big gambler but when he does it it's usually pretty funny because
Speaker:Track 2: it's not like sad it's like Harry Belafonte doing prints right it's a little less sad.
Speaker:Track 3: Oh there happens to be a horse track right by the set that we're shooting on how.
Speaker:Track 2: Convenient oh shooting a whole movie because it's close to a horror series track
Speaker:Track 2: like that is that's I mean but he's got the he always had the money you know
Speaker:Track 2: the gambler's gene yeah going there with Bella Fonte and stuff yeah,
Speaker:Track 2: oh it's Marvin Van Peebles I think yeah Melvin Van Peebles sorry yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: Uh that was for oc and stiggs the movie we were talking about i think we've
Speaker:Track 3: kind of gone off on a tangent which is i don't know i don't.
Speaker:Track 2: I don't remember.
Speaker:evan: Exactly where we're a guy.
Speaker:Track 2: Oh because we were and we were talking about sort of
Speaker:Track 2: like uh just like tangentially the commercials the
Speaker:Track 2: cast of this movie right like like yeah well i
Speaker:Track 2: mean because this is a very janex thing right like it used to be sort of
Speaker:Track 2: faux pas to sell out right
Speaker:Track 2: but i think i saw it happen like with the millennials like because
Speaker:Track 2: at that point people had stopped buying music and they were
Speaker:Track 2: like look the only way we can get any sort of attention or money is by doing
Speaker:Track 2: an itunes commercial so the whole idea of like selling out as like a negative
Speaker:Track 2: thing sort of went away and now it's the opposite everything is hyper commercialized
Speaker:Track 2: everything like every interaction every social interaction is like hyper commodified
Speaker:Track 2: and stuff here's the idea like.
Speaker:Track 3: Here's how we can tie it in i just saw a nintendo switch 2 commercial with paul
Speaker:Track 3: rudd and joe latrullio in it.
Speaker:Track 2: So there you go and he's He's.
Speaker:Track 3: Recreating an ad he did in the 80s for the Super Nintendo, and he's wearing
Speaker:Track 3: the same outfit and, like, hair and everything.
Speaker:Track 3: And it's, like, nostalgia bait, and it's like, hey, it's Paul Rudd,
Speaker:Track 3: and, like, Joe LaTrulio also happens to be there.
Speaker:Track 2: They Ant-Manned him, dude. So hard. I hate that.
Speaker:evan: I just don't understand, as you said, like, with some of these people as...
Speaker:evan: They have, most of them have so much money, but I guess what's a little more?
Speaker:Track 2: Like Ryan Seacrest. Why is he doing Pluto mobile app gaming app commercials? Or like Eva Longoria.
Speaker:Track 3: They made you the new Dick Clark.
Speaker:evan: There must be some nefarious reason. Like he owes the mob money or I don't know.
Speaker:Track 3: Nicholas Cage, he bought a bunch of artifacts that he now has to pay for or whatever.
Speaker:Track 2: Like eva longoria was like
Speaker:Track 2: she was on desperate housewives which was a show that went into syndication
Speaker:Track 2: she was a producer i believe on ugly betty
Speaker:Track 2: she produced that cheetah movie like she's
Speaker:Track 2: married to tony parker still i think like these people
Speaker:Track 2: do not need this money like it's crazy you know it's like
Speaker:Track 2: why i don't get it so like it does kill
Speaker:Track 2: their aura it totally like makes it to where like i think there was like an
Speaker:Track 2: uber eats commercial with like adam driver pedro pascal or something like that
Speaker:Track 2: and it's like that that person you can't be a movie star after that you know
Speaker:Track 2: like timothy chalamet doing like a high fashion yeah that's fine i'll give it
Speaker:Track 2: a pass you know one man who's never been in a commercial yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: You do like a cologne commercial or whatever you know yeah it's like all right.
Speaker:Track 2: That's okay yeah but like one man who's never done a commercial robert pattinson
Speaker:Track 2: you know that's why he's the last true living movie star i think he's done like.
Speaker:Track 3: Cologne ads like we said but yeah otherwise.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah like high fat if you're doing like you're doing the black Black and white.
Speaker:Track 3: Like you're rolling around in a bed.
Speaker:Track 2: That's fine. Slow motion. That's fine. Yeah, that's cool. If it's like high.
Speaker:evan: If it's a cigarette ad, I think I could maybe give it a price.
Speaker:Track 3: Or if you're Jim Varney doing Ernest, you're already in my book.
Speaker:Track 3: I mean, a camel cigarette goes back to Ernest.
Speaker:evan: Haynes underwear, like back when, like, you know.
Speaker:Track 3: You need to be a celebrity from commercials if you're going to do it.
Speaker:Track 3: You can't be a celebrity doing commercials.
Speaker:evan: Yes, right.
Speaker:Track 3: Ernest, you're famous. Or we just don't do advertising. That's the...
Speaker:Track 3: the ideal outcome.
Speaker:evan: What's so funny though is like so many ads now that people are getting are generally
Speaker:evan: on like your phone or a tablet or things like you don't even.
Speaker:Track 2: Get like.
Speaker:evan: You're not even necessarily even watching most of it so i guess the idea is
Speaker:evan: they will pay these celebrities enough they're like oh like paul rhodes in this
Speaker:evan: i guess i'll watch this ad or something i don't know this is just my theory yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: And it's an it's it's like the commercial from when i was a kid so it's i remember this.
Speaker:evan: Yeah i.
Speaker:Track 3: Remember that type thing.
Speaker:Track 2: It makes like um it makes
Speaker:Track 2: tv unwatchable i think there's like a direct tv commercial
Speaker:Track 2: and it's like paul giamatti and steve uscemi doing voiceover like they're pigeons
Speaker:Track 2: yeah it's like pigeons watching me cable yeah i'm like is that fucking paul
Speaker:Track 2: giamatti and steve like that's that's a bummer dude like that's yeah that's weird.
Speaker:Track 3: That's so weird.
Speaker:Track 2: Like but we talked I mean there's like plenty of filmmakers who talk about like
Speaker:Track 2: they can't they don't really have money if they live he takes a paycheck and
Speaker:Track 2: you're like that sucks you know like ah man but I don't get it I don't know
Speaker:Track 2: economically what is going on in Hollywood right now complete mystery to me absolutely yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: I wouldn't imagine that David.
Speaker:evan: Wayne is like you know she's probably doing alright but not.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah you know he uh he hasn't made a movie since that uh Netflix movie uh,
Speaker:Track 3: A stupid and futile gesture about like Doug Kinney from National Lampoon,
Speaker:Track 3: which we've talked about it on the show multiple times and I forget why.
Speaker:Track 3: Maybe it has to do with like period movies being made now.
Speaker:Track 3: And like, yeah, there's like, you know, you have like an inherent vice or like
Speaker:Track 3: the master or, you know, a well done period movie.
Speaker:Track 3: And then you have like American Hustle and like things where it's like,
Speaker:Track 3: oh, they're wearing wigs, you know?
Speaker:Track 2: Type thing yeah it kind of ties into like
Speaker:Track 2: this film because yeah like because like this
Speaker:Track 2: film it's a period piece but it's like it's still really well done
Speaker:Track 2: even though it's like a comedy uh and stuff but yeah
Speaker:Track 2: the the duck kinney film it's like yeah i don't know if
Speaker:Track 2: it's because it's shot digitally so it's like i always feel
Speaker:Track 2: like there will be this like weird uncanny thing of like digital film
Speaker:Track 2: looks better it's higher quality but it makes everything look worse because you
Speaker:Track 2: see how it actually looks there's not like that distorting layer whatever that
Speaker:Track 2: you get with like the organic uh process of film
Speaker:Track 2: but yeah the duck kinney movie like it it's so
Speaker:Track 2: off-putting like because we talk about american hustle it's like
Speaker:Track 2: it's a film that's a period piece but it's so much looks like modern day people
Speaker:Track 2: pretending and that's how that duck kinney feel that like david wayne movie
Speaker:Track 2: so it felt like yeah like it was like people like uh it was like modern comedians
Speaker:Track 2: like just doing dress up and pretending to be like the original snl people and it's like ugh.
Speaker:Track 3: It's like in The Irishman when Jim Norton shows up as Don Rickles and it's like
Speaker:Track 3: that's Jim Norton it's like that.
Speaker:Track 2: I tortured myself the other day by watching the SNL the Reitman Jason Reitman SNL film.
Speaker:Track 3: Oh yes yes Saturday Night yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: That's another in the genre of like it's just it's literally just like kids
Speaker:Track 2: pretending to be like oh hey look and some of them are actually pretty good
Speaker:Track 2: like the guy who plays Dan Ackroyd is pretty good obviously the guy from New Girl So, yeah, like,
Speaker:Track 2: the guy is Chevy, but, like, it's so clearly it's just, like,
Speaker:Track 2: TikTok, SNL, you know?
Speaker:Track 3: Well, and with the We're Not American Summer, too, I think it's funny.
Speaker:Track 3: Like, yeah, like, I saw the opening of this movie, the slow-mo of them at the bonfire.
Speaker:Track 3: I was like, damn, like, this is 2001, and I was like, that wasn't that long
Speaker:Track 3: ago. And this looks so good.
Speaker:Track 3: Like, it just looks like a movie. Like, yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: They recreate it sort of they do like an updated version
Speaker:Track 2: at the beginning of the prequel uh first day
Speaker:Track 2: of camp or whatever and it's so like
Speaker:Track 2: it's kind of a bummer honestly seeing them side to side it's like i remember
Speaker:Track 2: someone showed like footage from the original matrix and then like from the
Speaker:Track 2: newest one and you're like oh like uh like them shot on film oh my god it looks
Speaker:Track 2: so fucking good and then the modern day matrix is just like it's like a fucking
Speaker:Track 2: commercial it's just you know this sucks It's just flat and small.
Speaker:evan: What's crazy about the bonfire scene in this one is they had a hard time filming it because of the rain.
Speaker:evan: They filmed that in the middle of the night. Finally, it stopped raining.
Speaker:evan: They are able to build the fire with wood they had to bring in because all the
Speaker:evan: wood was wet from all the rain. It looks so good.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah, the camp director or whatever for the camp that they were using had to
Speaker:Track 3: build them a fire, I think.
Speaker:evan: Oh, I don't know if I saw that.
Speaker:Track 3: Work their magic. but the camp also.
Speaker:evan: Saw the film afterwards they didn't know they thought it was supposed to be
Speaker:evan: a family comedy and they were apparently.
Speaker:Track 3: Horrified which i
Speaker:Track 3: think is pretty funny like the critical response to
Speaker:Track 3: this like uh was really bad because i and i
Speaker:Track 3: think one of the best bits is that they took this to sundance and
Speaker:Track 3: it screened it's at sundance it was one of the like 200 movies chosen or whatever
Speaker:Track 3: like i'm just imagining a sundance crowd watching this like what the fuck like
Speaker:Track 3: this like it just looks like porkies or whatever like meatballs yeah like but
Speaker:Track 3: it's like clearly like tongue-in-cheek and like esoteric in a weird way and.
Speaker:Track 2: They didn't have like the thing of like oh all of these people are famous now you know it's like.
Speaker:Track 3: Who are these people are these weird weird yeah isn't the guy from frazier yeah
Speaker:Track 3: yeah the guy from frazier's in this he got uh yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: I was gonna i forgot i was wanting to look up how many emmys he had it by this
Speaker:Track 2: point because it's crazy like I.
Speaker:Track 3: Don't like that.
Speaker:Track 2: Show is fucking huge like Frasier is so it does feel like a pro I mean if anything
Speaker:Track 2: I feel like he's the guy that really gives this film credibility and Janine Garofalo I think.
Speaker:Track 3: Whenever like a got an actor like that will do a movie like this i always like
Speaker:Track 3: gain so much respect for them i'm like for sure yeah they see the vision and
Speaker:Track 3: get it and he came back yeah same with bradley cooper he had three emmys three oh.
Speaker:Track 2: That's see that's crazy like imagine being like yeah the guy on fraser who had
Speaker:Track 2: three emmys and you're like making this film with a bunch of like honestly nobodies you know.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah this guy hosted like snl and it's like this guy's had an mtv show that
Speaker:Track 3: was also not very popular yeah yeah.
Speaker:evan: He also had a swell yeah he had he'd been nominated he was nominated every year
Speaker:evan: from 1994 to 2004 for fraser.
Speaker:Track 3: Oh wow that's incredible and he won four of.
Speaker:evan: Them three of them.
Speaker:Track 3: Only won two tonys too uh after this but still i mean truly slumming it like you.
Speaker:Track 2: Know like doing everyone a real.
Speaker:Track 3: Like jeff daniels doing dumb and dumber like level yeah I mean,
Speaker:Track 3: but, but also like Jeff Daniels in double number, he comes through and he,
Speaker:Track 3: and he doesn't like pretend like he's like better than the movie. So it makes him good.
Speaker:Track 2: What I love is that like, cause they get Bradley Cooper back for the prequel,
Speaker:Track 2: but for the sequel, like it's too much, it's like too much screen time and they couldn't get him back.
Speaker:Track 2: So Adam Scott, yeah. And he's like, Oh, I got my, uh, my deviated septum.
Speaker:Track 2: Everyone's like, Oh, everyone's like, you look way better now.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah, the whole joke is that he's not Bradley Cooper in the sequel one.
Speaker:Track 3: Adam Scott fits right in with all of these people. He's a perfect fit for these guys.
Speaker:evan: Yeah, like in Step Brothers kind of style.
Speaker:Track 2: Exactly yeah john um john ham's
Speaker:Track 2: in the prequel as well and he has some he has like a fight scene with
Speaker:Track 2: christopher maloney that's really like a sniper and he's
Speaker:Track 2: uh he's ronald reagan's assassin and it's so funny because i remember hearing
Speaker:Track 2: stories of like before he before madman like he was at like poker games with
Speaker:Track 2: doug benson and stuff he's another guy who like was slumming it with comedy
Speaker:Track 2: people or he was a big time dramatic actor but it is crazy to be like he.
Speaker:Track 3: Still he still kind of is like i feel like he never really like after madmen
Speaker:Track 3: you know he's kind of like stuck.
Speaker:Track 2: In a weird because he'll show up on doug doug benson and there's like a recent
Speaker:Track 2: episode of how did this get made where like it opens with somebody doing a theme
Speaker:Track 2: song and they're like oh that was john by the way yeah i feel he'll come.
Speaker:Track 3: He'll show up on comedy bang bang at least once.
Speaker:Track 2: A year i feel So like.
Speaker:Track 3: I think, yeah, he used to play poker with like Scott Ackerman and all those
Speaker:Track 3: guys, Doug Benson and stuff.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: He's just a hunk that happens to really like alt comedy.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah. I mean, yeah. He'll always get respect for me. Because also,
Speaker:Track 2: I mean, Don Draper. I mean.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah. I'm just like him. He's just like me.
Speaker:Track 2: I know. I mean.
Speaker:evan: Yeah. I like him on 30 Rock.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's great on 30 Rock. He's just playing like a himbo. Yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: Well, Wet Hot American Summer. Did I have anything else?
Speaker:evan: My colonel.
Speaker:Track 3: Just scrolling through my notes. Just like clute. I do like the switching of
Speaker:Track 3: the jackets scene. That's very funny.
Speaker:evan: Oh, I was going to mention that one too. And then my, actually the best part
Speaker:evan: of that is later when she pulls the flannel out of the tiny little box.
Speaker:Track 3: Like a clown. Yeah, it's like...
Speaker:Track 3: and like uh oh yeah there's one camper we haven't
Speaker:Track 3: talked about it what is his name what's his name seth the the
Speaker:Track 3: guy that he looks like um what's his name uh oh the guy yeah he looks like i
Speaker:Track 3: forget what the that actor's name is but uh and the character too i'm forgetting
Speaker:Track 3: the character's name now too but he's like an alien like he's like it's like
Speaker:Track 3: there's like a magical spell or it's like yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: He does like he conjures the wind or.
Speaker:Track 3: Whatever i think like.
Speaker:Track 2: Jj mentions that he's his brother like uh.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah he's in.
Speaker:Track 2: A big bank mckinley's like your brother's weird.
Speaker:Track 3: Oh big bang oh.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah he's the guy that i think they're doing i think they're doing like a spinoff
Speaker:Track 2: that was starring him or something on a kevin i believe.
Speaker:Track 3: Okay yeah i.
Speaker:Track 2: Saw a headline of that the other day.
Speaker:Track 3: Hate to play among us with that guy am i right it is crazy that like they that.
Speaker:Track 2: They got like um like a star is born bradley cooper you know to.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah have like a sexy with john peter that is one One of my favorite jeans with
Speaker:Track 3: all the sports equipment falling off the wall.
Speaker:Track 3: And they're like putting their feet up higher up onto things,
Speaker:Track 3: like getting a leg up over there. It's really good.
Speaker:Track 2: Like in the VO, it's like it's JJ and Gary, I think.
Speaker:Track 2: And they're like, they're like, we should get him a Debbie. No, not that Debbie.
Speaker:Track 2: Tall Debbie. And they're just like four different Debbies that they run through.
Speaker:Track 3: Dude, yeah. Michael Ian Black is so funny. that that's what makes it such a
Speaker:Track 3: bummer that he's he is the way he is in real life because like,
Speaker:Track 3: he's one of the best parts of stella like his just the way he says things and
Speaker:Track 3: like the way he can like be like so serious and like i don't know he he's he
Speaker:Track 3: cracks me up so it's a bummer that he,
Speaker:Track 3: really just is hanging it up with uh old maggie mccain yeah you know what are
Speaker:Track 3: you gonna do it was a big bummer ben domino's uh ex-wife they're not even married anymore did.
Speaker:Track 2: He ever hang out you think he hung out with john.
Speaker:Track 3: He helped him put his jacket on or whatever i bet.
Speaker:evan: He did yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: They did riffs let me get it sir i have got you they.
Speaker:Track 2: Did riffs about iran or whatever.
Speaker:Track 3: I was thinking about the nick mullen tweet of like daddy pick me up and it's
Speaker:Track 3: like uh vietnam on my shoulder.
Speaker:Track 3: That's a mean tweet, but it's funny.
Speaker:Track 2: Michael Ian Black was probably really mad about Trump when he said that he liked
Speaker:Track 2: his pilots who don't crash or whatever. I like when my pilots don't crash.
Speaker:Track 3: My war heroes don't crash.
Speaker:Track 2: Probably made Michael Ian Black really mad, you know?
Speaker:evan: Oh, man. Yeah, but I think we got everything we can out of Wet Hot American
Speaker:evan: Summer. And I'm going to...
Speaker:Track 3: It's one of those movies where you just are like, this scene is pretty good.
Speaker:Track 3: Like, literally every day. This way to talk about it is like,
Speaker:Track 3: yeah, exactly. Just like, remember this part? Like, that's, yeah.
Speaker:Track 3: It's up there with like, the Ocean's movies of just like, this scene is awesome.
Speaker:Track 3: This scene is funny. Like...
Speaker:evan: Yeah, just like that too. The cast is across the board, funny.
Speaker:evan: There's no really weak links.
Speaker:evan: Even the kids do good, everything about it.
Speaker:evan: But yeah, I appreciate it. Ryan Estee, thank you for coming on.
Speaker:Track 2: Oh, thank you. We appreciate it.
Speaker:Track 3: You taste like a burger. We don't like you anymore. We're leaving.
Speaker:evan: The name of the game is Snaps.
Speaker:Track 3: Yes. And we're going to play Snaps now for 10 more minutes. But yeah,
Speaker:Track 3: thank you. It was great to be back.
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker:evan: Of course. And everyone should go check out Altmania and the Demi episodes.
Speaker:Track 3: We're getting Demi-fied. We're just about to hit Melvin and Howard, which is a big one.
Speaker:Track 3: But hey, check out his other movies too before that. Crazy Mama,
Speaker:Track 3: Citizens Band. Those ones were some highlights for sure.
Speaker:Track 2: The Cage Sheet episode, I think, is one of my favorites we've done so far in the demi-arc.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: It was really good.
Speaker:Track 3: I got a DM from two different people about that episode.
Speaker:Track 2: Oh, really?
Speaker:Track 3: Some good DMs, not bad ones.
Speaker:Track 2: Oh, okay.
Speaker:evan: Yeah, the one.
Speaker:Track 2: I was wondering, yeah, no one, because I hadn't heard anything.
Speaker:Track 2: It is weird when you make a podcast and you're like, does anyone hear that?
Speaker:Track 3: Right, yeah. It's just like, ah.
Speaker:Track 2: I usually hear compliments secondhand through other people.
Speaker:Track 3: Yeah, we have a, I guess we can plug stuff. like we have a discord oh yes please
Speaker:Track 3: hang out there we have a patreon where we do two bonuses a month we just did
Speaker:Track 3: earnest goes to jail which is why we've been referencing earnest a lot in this
Speaker:Track 3: episode uh what are you talking about we just do it anyways but it's.
Speaker:Track 2: A surprisingly like deep and thoughtful episode i.
Speaker:Track 3: Think it's.
Speaker:Track 2: Kind of serious but it is and it's not like a bad movie yeah that's about noel.com
Speaker:Track 2: that's right i put a bunch of my writing up there i've taken a pause to write some,
Speaker:Track 2: longer foreign stuff but I'm working on something I'm going to post soon but
Speaker:Track 2: I recently wrote something a couple weeks ago for the 50th anniversary of Nashville very good,
Speaker:Track 2: Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Ryan. Yeah, we love doing the podcast.
Speaker:Track 2: And the Discord's been really active as well.
Speaker:Track 2: Twitch. Oh, yeah, we do Twitch streams every Thursday as well.
Speaker:Track 3: We do, yeah. We just did an episode with our friend Jake from Podcasting for
Speaker:Track 3: Me, who has been on this show, I believe.
Speaker:evan: He has been on the show. We did Halloween 3 and X2, X-Men, the first X-Men.
Speaker:Track 3: Oh, hell yeah.
Speaker:Track 2: It's great.
Speaker:evan: Completely unrelated films. I guess as are too.
Speaker:Track 3: If you like him, on our Patreon, we put those up for free. So you just have to follow us on Patreon.
Speaker:Track 3: And we put all our VODs up there.
Speaker:Track 3: And we watched Adventures in Hollywood, which is a 3-6 Mafia reality show that
Speaker:Track 3: lasted one season on MTV, I think.
Speaker:Track 3: It was really good. There's a guy named Computer on it that we took a really big liking to.
Speaker:Track 2: I literally really that that's just the uh like that's like irl uh grislin.com.
Speaker:Track 3: Like uh from 30 rock oh yeah don't you're so right damn i didn't even think
Speaker:Track 3: about it yeah from 30 rock i don't know if you watch the bear.
Speaker:evan: But there's also a character named the computer on that too.
Speaker:Track 3: There's a computer in the bear yeah just.
Speaker:evan: A guy named.
Speaker:Track 3: Computer he just like does lots of math in his head it's funny yeah i think
Speaker:Track 3: the whole thing in uh adventures in hollywood they call him computer because
Speaker:Track 3: like he uses the computer that's like he knows how to use the computer like he's.
Speaker:Track 2: The one guy in the in the group who like knows how to set up an email account so they're like yo look.
Speaker:Track 3: It's fucking computer computer over here damn yeah fuck it back he like printed
Speaker:Track 3: out a paper he's like check it out guys yeah but thank you i'm sorry yeah,
Speaker:Track 3: We love to yap. We love to talk.
Speaker:evan: Yeah, thanks for coming on. And you've been listening to Left of the Projector,
Speaker:evan: and we will catch you next time.
