In this episode, we explore the thematic elements of "The Fog" and "The Mist" with guests Kayte Terry and Brandon. Kayte is cohost of Fangs for the Memories and Tendor Subject and Brandon cohosts the podcast Cars and Comrades.
Focusing on the films, we examine their atmospheres, social dynamics during crises, and the tension between individualism and community. A deep dive into "The Mist's" impactful ending reveals commentary on human nature, while we also share horror film recommendations for the season.
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Evan: I will not make that mistake again.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah, I mean, you always catch good stuff at the beginning, too.
Speaker:Kayt: People are very wild at the beginning of a conversation.
Speaker:Brandon: On our show, we've been doing it for almost four years, and we have just finally
Speaker:Brandon: found our groove for recording.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah, I get it. I've only been doing Fangs for two years and Tender Subject
Speaker:Kayt: for a year, and it's constantly shifting.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah, I honestly go through times where I feel like Like I things are all every
Speaker:Evan: every possible technical thing that I thought I had worked out as well.
Speaker:Brandon: Yeah, we all record our audio separately on Audacity and that's it.
Speaker:Brandon: We submit it to the Google Drive and it's so much smoother than every other
Speaker:Brandon: fucking thing we've done.
Speaker:Brandon: Unless we have a guest who doesn't have that capability that we have to.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah, fuckery, but or just like forgets, which is a thing.
Speaker:Evan: I thought you use Discord to record now.
Speaker:Brandon: No, that who that was whoever else we would record with. We use a handful of
Speaker:Brandon: different apps and whatever, and then they all start trying to charge us money.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah, I use Zencastr, and they charge us money.
Speaker:Brandon: We used Zencastr for a long time, and things went more or less well,
Speaker:Brandon: and then they started charging money.
Speaker:Brandon: And I don't know, it wasn't much, but for some reason, none of us would pay it.
Speaker:Kayt: Well, we applied to do ads for Zencastr, and we were like, oh, they accepted us.
Speaker:Kayt: So far, all we've done is like...
Speaker:Kayt: sex toy ad which i'm happy thrilled to do you know like i didn't want to have
Speaker:Kayt: to talk about um like online therapy or something like that because that's awful so.
Speaker:Brandon: Mattresses and socks.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah i mean even a mattress i'd rather do like online therapy is like actually
Speaker:Kayt: harmful so i'd rather not do that yeah.
Speaker:Brandon: I've not heard anything good about it but i've not heard anything actively harmful about it it just.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah i.
Speaker:Brandon: Don't know if there's one thing i can think of that you don't necessarily want
Speaker:Brandon: to depersonalize it's therapy.
Speaker:Kayt: For real well.
Speaker:Evan: Like you see like a different person each time is that how it.
Speaker:Kayt: Works no it's just i think i've i've just heard a bunch of things where i mean
Speaker:Kayt: it's the same as like anyone who is on a budget with a doctor you know you're
Speaker:Kayt: just seeing kind of the worst and like people who are i guess that's not fair it's not
Speaker:Kayt: the worst like the actual providers aren't fine I think it's just that like
Speaker:Kayt: they're overloaded and you know don't maybe don't get to form a commitment to
Speaker:Kayt: you in the same way but also.
Speaker:Brandon: It's a way to take advantage of providers because they do overwork them and underpay them.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah for sure.
Speaker:Evan: I guess you both have, you both have podcasts. You only have,
Speaker:Evan: Brandon, did you ever start your other podcast or no, not yet?
Speaker:Brandon: No, I'm busy. We barely have time to record.
Speaker:Evan: Fair enough. Well, I won't mention it then, even though I don't know what it
Speaker:Evan: was called. You know, maybe you don't even have a name. Do you have a name for it?
Speaker:Brandon: I was always kind of calling it Red Channels, but.
Speaker:Evan: That's right. You did say that.
Speaker:Brandon: Because Red Channels was like an industry magazine that was specifically intended
Speaker:Brandon: to out communists and shit.
Speaker:Evan: All right. right well thank you both for being here today to discuss the fog
Speaker:Evan: and the mist both films with two words that start with the i.
Speaker:Brandon: Don't know how to compare the two because i would describe a fog as sort of
Speaker:Brandon: a miss and i would describe a mist as sort of fog yeah and they.
Speaker:Evan: Kind of talk.
Speaker:Kayt: About that isn't that in the mist so they're like is that a fog is it a mist yes.
Speaker:Evan: Yes they do like Like when he's first on the lake.
Speaker:Kayt: Yes, that's right. Yeah.
Speaker:Evan: Before we jump into the double feature we have this week, I thought I'd let
Speaker:Evan: you both introduce yourselves. And I know you both have podcasts of your own
Speaker:Evan: and perhaps multiple podcasts in your case.
Speaker:Evan: So, yeah. So I want to pick whichever one of you wants to go first.
Speaker:Kayt: I can go. I'm Kate. I have two podcasts. One is a Buffy the Vampire Slayer rewatch podcast.
Speaker:Kayt: We are on season six. We just finished Once More Was Feeling,
Speaker:Kayt: which is the episode everyone's always waiting for.
Speaker:Kayt: And the other podcast I have is Tender Subject, which is a cannibalism and body horror podcast.
Speaker:Kayt: That one's a little bit more... Fangs is silly. tender subject is much more
Speaker:Kayt: into discourse and theory and we talk about like art books um film but we get silly too.
Speaker:Evan: But yeah thanks for uh for coming on and brandon you've been on the show before
Speaker:Evan: but you can remind everyone your your podcast about cars yeah i'm and comrades i'm the resident.
Speaker:Brandon: Dumb guy from uh cars and comrades where we talk about cars and our comrades
Speaker:Brandon: yeah Yeah, we're trying to have a somewhat inclusive leftist space for people
Speaker:Brandon: who are interested in the car hobby.
Speaker:Brandon: We talk about labor history, car stuff, news, whatever.
Speaker:Brandon: Some days we just ramble.
Speaker:Evan: That's okay. That's okay. I'd say I learned more about cars than I had ever known before.
Speaker:Evan: Ever. Until I've listened to your podcast. Parts of Cars I didn't know existed, but that's cool.
Speaker:Brandon: I think everyone's go-to word for Cars is carburetors, and Cars don't even have those anymore.
Speaker:Kayt: Oh, shit.
Speaker:Evan: Just learned. Well, I guess I learned something new about Cars on this podcast.
Speaker:Evan: But Kate, when I reached out, I had sent you a list of films, which I do for guests.
Speaker:Evan: And I had the mist fog as a double feature because they kind of seem i guess
Speaker:Evan: we'll find out how similar or how they fit together but i guess what what made
Speaker:Evan: you choose them and you know do you have a um i don't know a memory of the of
Speaker:Evan: those of them or i don't know anything that uh that made you pick the mist and the fog.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah um well i'm a big horror buff
Speaker:Kayt: and i love john carpenter especially and i
Speaker:Kayt: saw the fog at a at
Speaker:Kayt: salem uh film festival a
Speaker:Kayt: couple years ago on the big screen which was really cool um so my experience
Speaker:Kayt: of it i think was just you know necessarily bigger and more exciting than like
Speaker:Kayt: a lot of the times when we watch older movies because it was on the big screen
Speaker:Kayt: and it was like Like at midnight,
Speaker:Kayt: it just felt like the memory is very nice.
Speaker:Kayt: And then The Mist I actually just saw recently.
Speaker:Kayt: And I thought was, for a minute, I thought it was a John Carpenter movie.
Speaker:Kayt: Obviously, it's not. It's based on a Stephen King book.
Speaker:Kayt: But I thought the idea of the two together, it's like the horror of formlessness
Speaker:Kayt: and the atmosphere. fear that uh is very appealing i can.
Speaker:Brandon: Tell from that sentence that i am out of my league.
Speaker:Kayt: Oh boy it's gonna get worse no,
Speaker:Kayt: yeah i'm a giant nerd um i get really excited talking about horror because i
Speaker:Kayt: feel like it uh it's it like forces you to look at,
Speaker:Kayt: at things like you can't you can't turn away and you can't ignore and like that's
Speaker:Kayt: a big part of the fog i think.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah i agree with that and i know for you brandon you didn't you didn't technically
Speaker:Evan: get to choose this but i know from we've done the thing and we did we do another
Speaker:Evan: john carpenter no just that yeah this is only i think the.
Speaker:Brandon: Second time we've recorded together but i really really.
Speaker:Evan: No we also no no we did escape from uh escape from la oh.
Speaker:Brandon: I forgot about that.
Speaker:Evan: So also carpenter So this is the third one.
Speaker:Brandon: Oh, yeah. Oh, I didn't realize that
Speaker:Brandon: I was strictly resigned to doing John Carpenter movies, but I accept it.
Speaker:Evan: Yes, yes. Well, I mean, did you have like, was this even like in the top of
Speaker:Evan: your, I was trying to like think in my head because I'm also a huge John Carpenter fan.
Speaker:Evan: I wouldn't even say this is in my top five. He just has a lot of great ones,
Speaker:Evan: but it was sort of maybe like a forgotten one sometimes.
Speaker:Evan: So I don't know if you've like always liked that one too.
Speaker:Evan: It came to me later. i think i saw it maybe for the first time four or five years ago.
Speaker:Brandon: I mean if you remember i kind of got excited when you said that you were going
Speaker:Brandon: to do the mist because uh at that point i didn't
Speaker:Brandon: realize that you were doing a double feature so yeah
Speaker:Brandon: the fog's not one of my my john carpenter all-time greats
Speaker:Brandon: um i mean i think i probably have the usual all-time greats except i also really
Speaker:Brandon: like prince of darkness um which all my friends love to hate on so i don't know
Speaker:Brandon: where people stand but uh i i stand by loving them i remember seeing the mist
Speaker:Brandon: when it was maybe I didn't see it in theaters, but it was like maybe a year old.
Speaker:Brandon: And as I told you, my friends made me watch it on DVD, the black and white version,
Speaker:Brandon: which is the only way to watch this movie. Like,
Speaker:Brandon: right up front that's the fuck because the cgi is the weak point of this movie
Speaker:Brandon: it really is and dude when you put it the black and white it really like tones
Speaker:Brandon: down how bad the cgi is and it's a different fucking movie it's so much better
Speaker:Brandon: it really lets like the horror elements shine because you're not distracted
Speaker:Brandon: by like bad cgi bullshit yeah.
Speaker:Kayt: In my brain somehow i i decided that the mist was all practical effects and
Speaker:Kayt: then when i watched it again this week i was very disappointed in myself that
Speaker:Kayt: I had, I had like somehow subbed that in.
Speaker:Evan: Well, they did use a lot of them more than probably most movies did in the early
Speaker:Evan: two. Well, I guess not even early 2007.
Speaker:Evan: But there are Yeah, I mean, the special effects, I would agree with you,
Speaker:Evan: Brandon, I had never didn't know there was a black and white one until you told me.
Speaker:Evan: And I thought, Okay, well, if I'm gonna watch it, I can't find it anywhere.
Speaker:Evan: So I bought the the blu ray and watch the bunch of the special features,
Speaker:Evan: which were also pretty fun but the black and white one was definitely a slightly
Speaker:Evan: different uh definitely a different vibe and gives it more of that sort of i
Speaker:Evan: don't know lovecraftian kind of mysterious kind of movie than it is in it's
Speaker:Evan: you know the way it was intended but either either way i think it's still it's
Speaker:Evan: still uh you know solid and for.
Speaker:Brandon: Anyone not in the know it's the exact same movie it's just black and white but
Speaker:Brandon: it feels like it changes the tone a lot.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah i would say that's probably true um
Speaker:Evan: yeah i mean i was
Speaker:Evan: i was i think i put on my little notes i was gonna brandon you
Speaker:Evan: may not have done i didn't used to do this like a little icebreaker but i've
Speaker:Evan: maybe we'll do it uh slightly different i had wrote down normally like you know
Speaker:Evan: what's your if you could have you know dinner or something with a an actor living
Speaker:Evan: or dead who would it be but i'm gonna instead put you both on the spot on your
Speaker:Evan: uh not in order but what you would say is your top carpenter film just because
Speaker:Evan: you were talking about it brandon and now i feel like i've got to know Oh.
Speaker:Brandon: That's almost cheating because it's the thing.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah, mine is also the thing as number one.
Speaker:Brandon: It's because it's not just my favorite John Carpenter movie. It's my favorite movie.
Speaker:Evan: I would concur with that. And then like beyond that, like to the next couple
Speaker:Evan: kind of could be, you know, ask me on a different day, escape from New York,
Speaker:Evan: sold on pre-613, they live. I mean, all those others, Halloween.
Speaker:Evan: It's kind of a toss up. What about Mouth of Madness? That's another one I actually just.
Speaker:Kayt: I like that one.
Speaker:Evan: That's another good one.
Speaker:Brandon: I rewatched that one.
Speaker:Evan: It's also, I feel like one of the forgotten one a little bit.
Speaker:Evan: it yeah i think the only the only one i would say probably most people wouldn't
Speaker:Evan: pick up near the top is probably vampires which isn't my favorite but i.
Speaker:Brandon: Mean again i wouldn't put prince of darkness up towards the top but i still
Speaker:Brandon: feel like it's it's underrated and i really like it i.
Speaker:Evan: Haven't seen it in a long time i probably do to yeah to re-watch it again um.
Speaker:Brandon: I think i'm trying to remember who's in it is it alice cooper that's in it there's
Speaker:Brandon: like some like uh like music like musician or somebody that's like one of the
Speaker:Brandon: like homeless people like shambling about outside and i just always appreciate that one.
Speaker:Evan: Of the guys who's in it is also in big trouble little china i think maybe i misremember.
Speaker:Brandon: Yeah i think uh jack burton's uh buddy that brings him into like the folds in
Speaker:Brandon: chinatown is i think he's in prince of darkness too yes that's that's yeah it's
Speaker:Brandon: pretty obvious that john carpenter has a certain set of actors he really likes
Speaker:Brandon: working with and goes back to them when possible i.
Speaker:Evan: Guess everyone can come in agreement that the thing is the best john carpenter
Speaker:Evan: john carpenter film i feel uh i feel like i don't need to there's no no arguments
Speaker:Evan: need to commence over that.
Speaker:Evan: But I guess when I think of these as, I mean, you already kind of alluded to
Speaker:Evan: it, Kate, the kind of the way that the mist and the fog kind of come together
Speaker:Evan: as, you know, a good double feature.
Speaker:Evan: I mean, I'm sure I'm not the first person to think of these two going together,
Speaker:Evan: but do either of you see like any connection beyond just kind of the,
Speaker:Evan: I guess, kind of the unknown you see, you know, as you said,
Speaker:Evan: in the mist, they refer to it as a fog, you know, in the fog,
Speaker:Evan: they could have referred to it as a mist.
Speaker:Evan: You know, they're just kind of weather terms if you, you know, get to it.
Speaker:Evan: So I don't know what you think of them as kind of like any kind of connection of beyond that.
Speaker:Brandon: I'm gonna leave this to smart movie person.
Speaker:Kayt: Uh i mean there's
Speaker:Kayt: the aspects of religion i think that
Speaker:Kayt: are a big part of it um you know
Speaker:Kayt: in in the fog it's like
Speaker:Kayt: the myth sort of is like retribution you
Speaker:Kayt: know so there's like a lot of i guess there's a lot of um
Speaker:Kayt: themes of like penance and
Speaker:Kayt: sinning and like you know you sort
Speaker:Kayt: of you get what's coming to you um in
Speaker:Kayt: the mist obviously that's like one character who's
Speaker:Kayt: kind of like turning everyone into you know who's like has develops this like
Speaker:Kayt: cult-like following but um in the fog it's like the whole town owes a debt you
Speaker:Kayt: know and the the priest is sort of the the only one who wants to talk about it and.
Speaker:Evan: Really and only because and almost only by accident.
Speaker:Kayt: Right He finds the little.
Speaker:Evan: The diary and other than like, because of the store, like, I guess it's almost,
Speaker:Evan: you could say that the, him finding the, uh, the little diary from his grandfather
Speaker:Evan: was inevitable because it was the anniversary and it created the little,
Speaker:Evan: I don't know, like the little, uh,
Speaker:Evan: earthquake or I don't know what you, something like that little storm causes
Speaker:Evan: a little, uh, the little diary to come loose.
Speaker:Evan: And then he, you know, the, uh, cause I think it was, was it supposed to be the one hundred year?
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah, it's their, it's their like celebration. Celebration. So they're like,
Speaker:Kayt: yeah, celebrating a town that would not exist without the massacre that occurred 100 years ago.
Speaker:Kayt: And like, yeah, they're just sort of like...
Speaker:Kayt: We can't talk about this right now. Like, we have a celebration.
Speaker:Kayt: People are excited. The town was built on this.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like the celebration of really like any American
Speaker:Evan: patriotic type holiday, right?
Speaker:Evan: Like, just you could, well, July 4th or, I don't know, I guess that's really the birthday one.
Speaker:Evan: But any of those is just celebrating the massacre of someone.
Speaker:Evan: In this case, it was a little bit different, which actually we'll get to,
Speaker:Evan: which I think I'm curious how you look at the group that was coming in to settle,
Speaker:Evan: you know, that was massacred by the local town.
Speaker:Evan: but the one thing I was going to mention just about I only learned this I think earlier today,
Speaker:Evan: is that the the fog apparently was
Speaker:Evan: like conceived by Debra Hill which I guess was John Carpenter's I don't know
Speaker:Evan: if they were married girlfriend I think at the time they had gone to Stonehenge
Speaker:Evan: and as just as a an aside I just came back from England and went to Stonehenge
Speaker:Evan: and then learned this the next day is that apparently they gain inspiration
Speaker:Evan: for the movie because of a fog that That covered the area.
Speaker:Evan: And if you've ever been to England, you know that it's always rainy and cold and foggy.
Speaker:Evan: So apparently they used that and some other stories in a couple other movies from British history.
Speaker:Evan: I think from the 50s. I'm blanking on the name of the movie now.
Speaker:Evan: And so that was kind of their inspiration for it.
Speaker:Evan: But when I was watching it, and this is my...
Speaker:Evan: I don't know, my theory on the movie in some way or as a metaphor.
Speaker:Evan: Because I took it as like a metaphor for imperialism, where you see this,
Speaker:Evan: you know, this town that is intentionally shipwrecking this other group,
Speaker:Evan: which was trying to set up a leper colony potentially to, you know,
Speaker:Evan: help people. They had lots of gold.
Speaker:Evan: And clearly they were also, you know, we don't really know anything about where
Speaker:Evan: they came from, except that they had this gold and that was then stolen by the
Speaker:Evan: town to, to build their own town.
Speaker:Evan: So not much different than you could say any colony of Britain or any of these
Speaker:Evan: other places going into Africa, stealing their gold and their resources,
Speaker:Evan: then using it to build their own wealth.
Speaker:Evan: So that was kind of like, I don't necessarily think that John Carpenter was
Speaker:Evan: going for that there, but that was kind of my take on it. So I don't know.
Speaker:Brandon: I noticed how both movies had themes of weather.
Speaker:Kayt: You know, mist, fog, fog fog mist.
Speaker:Brandon: Oh i totally missed that oh no,
Speaker:Brandon: i almost.
Speaker:Evan: Spit out my water there you you took you did that at the perfect time.
Speaker:Brandon: Yeah uh i i did intentionally say a dumb thing i just uh i i'm not gonna get
Speaker:Brandon: as analytical i i uh i just was gonna say that like it's a weather phenomenon
Speaker:Brandon: that's a trope in every horror movie for ever uh I feel like it's probably less abused now,
Speaker:Brandon: but like, man, in the 50s and 60s, that was every black and white movie.
Speaker:Brandon: I feel like it was just something coming out of the mist, out of the fog,
Speaker:Brandon: whatever, what have you.
Speaker:Brandon: So I was just going to comment that they're both really exceptional movies that
Speaker:Brandon: like really called out the trope and then went beyond it.
Speaker:Brandon: Because yeah, Creatures in the Mist is as old as horror.
Speaker:Kayt: It's a great ghost story. And like the fact that it opens with a Poe quote,
Speaker:Kayt: I think is like a good, and also like the first scene is just like telling a
Speaker:Kayt: ghost story around a campfire.
Speaker:Kayt: You know, it's like, that's such a classic.
Speaker:Kayt: set up and like it does deliver it's a creepy spooky fun movie like it's not
Speaker:Kayt: super scary but i think it's it's a nice.
Speaker:Brandon: Well i mean i follow the story the the
Speaker:Brandon: mist takes it in a different direction because it's cosmic horror
Speaker:Brandon: and it's pervasive in the
Speaker:Brandon: whole movie but that's like yes it's not what the movie's about
Speaker:Brandon: like the horror element is like sure there's tentacle monsters
Speaker:Brandon: outside that are gonna like murder you if you try and explore but
Speaker:Brandon: what the fuck's that lady planning because i
Speaker:Brandon: mean she certainly doesn't know um actually i
Speaker:Brandon: i wish that i was i could remember where i found it but i i came
Speaker:Brandon: across a video where somebody did like their 20 minute long theory on why the
Speaker:Brandon: lady was actually correct um not just like correct in her assessment of the
Speaker:Brandon: situation but like that that she was like somehow dialed in to uh the cosmic
Speaker:Brandon: horror aspect of it and was just calling it correctly um i don't think that's that off base.
Speaker:Kayt: For the mist.
Speaker:Brandon: Yeah yeah no i don't think it's it's it's off base it's just it wasn't it's
Speaker:Brandon: it's not especially well developed enough i think that you can really like well
Speaker:Brandon: i'm sure either of you could i i can't um no i just i just thought it was in
Speaker:Brandon: a like took a relatively ordinary run-of-the-mill setting and made it something much bigger well.
Speaker:Evan: To the point about like the about the fog being you know a a really good ghost story.
Speaker:Evan: I mean, it had, I mean, I, I'm trying to think of other, I don't,
Speaker:Evan: at least in that time period, which the movie came out in 1980,
Speaker:Evan: which is also coincidentally the same year that the missed book was written by Stephen King.
Speaker:Evan: I don't, I couldn't find anything that there was any, since they came out around
Speaker:Evan: the same time, there wasn't probably any influence either, you know,
Speaker:Evan: from Stephen King writing his book.
Speaker:Evan: But the, um, oh, I was gonna say the, like the ghost story thing.
Speaker:Evan: Like, I think it's a perfect, as you said, Kate, it's a perfect setup.
Speaker:Evan: and it's, you know, the...
Speaker:Evan: I wouldn't say it's a perfect movie. It's not maybe my favorite John Carpenter
Speaker:Evan: movie, but I like all of the aspects of the kind of the, the,
Speaker:Evan: the world built the world that he builds of this town and kind of the, the cool nature of the,
Speaker:Evan: you know, the ship and they're going out and I don't know, it,
Speaker:Evan: all of it is, it's all very John Carpenter-y.
Speaker:Evan: That's if, if it could be a thing, it all feels very on kind of his,
Speaker:Evan: you know, if you watch the movie and didn't know it was a John Carpenter film,
Speaker:Evan: I think it'll be pretty clear aside from the music and the way he builds the
Speaker:Evan: kind of the tension in the boat when they're finally,
Speaker:Evan: when one of the group that was drinking with their buddies gets killed by the
Speaker:Evan: first victims of the fog.
Speaker:Evan: The fog? I'm going to say the wrong weather thing here.
Speaker:Kayt: But yeah, I think it's- Yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker:Brandon: Killed by the drizzle.
Speaker:Evan: Killed by the drizzle. The drizzle of the fog. Yeah, there was no...
Speaker:Evan: Well, we'll get more to the mist, I guess, in a little bit. I mean,
Speaker:Evan: I guess we're kind of talking about both of them.
Speaker:Evan: But there was another thing I was going to mention about the fog,
Speaker:Evan: and now I forgot what it was.
Speaker:Evan: But yeah, I'm just sticking to the... Well, maybe this is purely speculative,
Speaker:Evan: but what do you think the gold and all of the things that Blake,
Speaker:Evan: I guess, is the person that they...
Speaker:Evan: Was the head of the crew that they killed that was trying to make this leper colony.
Speaker:Evan: My theory would fall apart if they had gotten that gold from the Global South
Speaker:Evan: themselves, and then they were also equally terrible, perhaps still didn't deserve to get murdered.
Speaker:Evan: But I don't know. What do you think?
Speaker:Evan: Their backstory that we have no information about.
Speaker:Kayt: Out um i mean i i i don't know
Speaker:Kayt: if john carpenter had this in mind um
Speaker:Kayt: but uh sorry
Speaker:Kayt: i'm gonna get real heady um so
Speaker:Kayt: foucault wrote a lot about lepers and
Speaker:Kayt: like you know quote unquote madmen um and
Speaker:Kayt: like the exclusion of the
Speaker:Kayt: leper or the madman um
Speaker:Kayt: is like central to the spiritual spiritual
Speaker:Kayt: reintegration of the community so like civilization the way we think of it like
Speaker:Kayt: western terms is grounded in like the exclusion of something that we consider to be like unruly.
Speaker:Kayt: So I think like, you know, Blake was a, was a really wealthy man,
Speaker:Kayt: but he was a leper and like had this colony of lepers. And I think the, the.
Speaker:Kayt: Town was like sort of horrified by the
Speaker:Kayt: idea of like walking around and seeing lepers walk around
Speaker:Kayt: with them you know and and they were like we can't have like a nice seaside
Speaker:Kayt: town with these people just like wandering around that's disgusting and unruly
Speaker:Kayt: and you know so i think like um whatever Whatever the other is that we've decided is scary,
Speaker:Kayt: that's like the antithesis of like having a civilized society.
Speaker:Kayt: And this town was like sort of hell-bent on becoming that, you know?
Speaker:Evan: You could substitute leper for, you know, a, I don't know, you know, now I'm having a...
Speaker:Evan: yeah you say just whatever the the the
Speaker:Evan: actual town just wanted it's i'm
Speaker:Evan: mumbling uh like it could have just been they could have it's whoever
Speaker:Evan: they wanted to oppress essentially anyone who was trying to come in and and
Speaker:Evan: doing you know good for the people in their community and they're saying well
Speaker:Evan: no no no how are we going to get tourists to come in here and uh you know go
Speaker:Evan: surfing or i don't know what they do in this town go boating if there's lepers
Speaker:Evan: walking around you're going to of ruin our shit.
Speaker:Kayt: It's like the state of California has decided that homeless people can't exist in it.
Speaker:Kayt: You know, and like, where do you and the only solution is to just keep pushing
Speaker:Kayt: them around and like trying to disappear people rather than like what the, you know,
Speaker:Kayt: moral, humane thing would be to just like give people places to live.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah, and then on the other side, you wonder it makes me think that the,
Speaker:Evan: actual town um that's there already what is it um what's the name of the town i'm like something.
Speaker:Kayt: Bay antonio bay.
Speaker:Evan: Antonio bay right so i it seems based on the like the priest in this you know
Speaker:Evan: very nice kind of uh placey the nice church it seems like their their colony
Speaker:Evan: or their town was built probably on you know converting people to christianity
Speaker:Evan: and presumably or probably doing it,
Speaker:Evan: exploitatively so even so this this this kind of makes me now think that there's
Speaker:Evan: no redeeming qualities obviously about the people who built the town and that
Speaker:Evan: it makes me kind of have you have sympathy now for blake you know maybe they
Speaker:Evan: got the gold who knows how he acquired his wealth but at least he's trying to
Speaker:Evan: do good in this time so you know they deserve to uh get fogged.
Speaker:Kayt: Fogged buddy you've been fogged.
Speaker:Evan: Been fogged yes well yeah the like the way that they built the ghost too I thought
Speaker:Evan: was pretty cool with them you know they knock on the door like oh you know should
Speaker:Evan: we let them in you know yeah all the like kill scenes I thought were pretty
Speaker:Evan: cool and the kind of returning to,
Speaker:Evan: life too it's you know going after you know this town's 100 years old it's in
Speaker:Evan: I guess do they say it's on the coast of California so you know these people
Speaker:Evan: have been living there for 100 years and their family still live there and they're
Speaker:Evan: going to come back for their revenge so you know maybe someone should fog some
Speaker:Evan: of the other people who built to america right there's.
Speaker:Kayt: Something really interesting too about how it like uh the fog like turns off
Speaker:Kayt: all the lights and also like electricity and like kind of grinds everything
Speaker:Kayt: to a halt like everything just stops.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah i.
Speaker:Kayt: Was like trying to work on some sort of like anti-work theory and i was like
Speaker:Kayt: i'm not getting there but like not this time but but that's interesting like
Speaker:Kayt: i guess it's kind of like um grinding like normal life to a halt you know like
Speaker:Kayt: people can't continue to do their like regular town stuff.
Speaker:Evan: But what's funny is that they still try to right like
Speaker:Evan: the little like the little ceremony is still going they lose the
Speaker:Evan: microphone i think and then they're like well we're still gonna have our
Speaker:Evan: little procession like with candles and you know talk about uh you know and
Speaker:Evan: and some of them know at this point people members of the town know about the
Speaker:Evan: shady thing that's that you know the they have this information now and they're
Speaker:Evan: still like well i mean what can we do they're all dead so yeah um yeah.
Speaker:Kayt: It's like every bureaucrat and like you know who runs every town in a horror
Speaker:Kayt: movie like you know the mayor of jaws and the mayor of jaws.
Speaker:Evan: The mayor.
Speaker:Kayt: In jaws Yeah, that's... Yeah.
Speaker:Evan: The mayor of Jaws, like the mayor, because I think of Jaws, the shark is like,
Speaker:Evan: you know, a stand-in for, say, capitalism, something like that. So if the...
Speaker:Evan: He's the mayor of it, so he's like, you know...
Speaker:Evan: the capitals leader the president is.
Speaker:Kayt: His man is.
Speaker:Evan: Like his tough.
Speaker:Kayt: Guy who like does all the stuff he doesn't want to have to do to keep people in line and.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah yeah he's like the but
Speaker:Evan: yeah i
Speaker:Evan: don't know the when i'm thinking about the uh there are
Speaker:Evan: other aspects of the fog that i had written um this is
Speaker:Evan: just one funny line that i had was like one of the first notes i had
Speaker:Evan: is when jamie lee curtis who's like hitchhiking into
Speaker:Evan: town and she you know gets into the car with i
Speaker:Evan: think it's uh is it named nick i think it's his name played by tom atkins he's
Speaker:Evan: like he goes she goes are you weird it made me laugh every time i was like that's
Speaker:Evan: just that's that's your question and then she's you know talking about oh you
Speaker:Evan: know okay i guess i'm glad that you're weird or whatever.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah, he's like, absolutely. And then they're in bed together.
Speaker:Evan: And I was looking at the age difference.
Speaker:Brandon: That answers my question 100% of the time, though.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah.
Speaker:Evan: Well, yeah, I mean nothing wrong with that. I think the other thing that's weird
Speaker:Evan: is that Jamie Lee Curtis was probably 25, let's see,
Speaker:Evan: 32, and I think that Tom Atkins was like 50. It's a little weird.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah, it was a May-December.
Speaker:Evan: It's not that far. Yeah.
Speaker:Kayt: I mean, it's so funny. Their whole whole relationship is really funny because
Speaker:Kayt: it does kind of like exist outside of like the goings-on of the town you know
Speaker:Kayt: it's like this all this stuff is going on that's like very official and they
Speaker:Kayt: have to like plan this ceremony and whatever and like the two of them are just sort of like,
Speaker:Kayt: detectives like randomly on their own yes.
Speaker:Evan: They are they're like yeah they're they're they show up at each place they don't
Speaker:Evan: really i mean jamie lee curtis is just kind of like with him at the bar and
Speaker:Evan: he's like, yep, do you want to go with me to this random place to do this,
Speaker:Evan: you know, to check this out? He's like, sure, why not? What else I got to do?
Speaker:Evan: You know, she's just, I don't know, it's the early 80s. She's just hitchhiking
Speaker:Evan: through, I think she said she's going to Sacramento. I don't remember where, San Diego.
Speaker:Evan: something i guess it doesn't really matter but yeah her kirk the whole jimmy
Speaker:Evan: curtis in this is kind of uh i don't
Speaker:Evan: know i like her character in it but i feel like the the person
Speaker:Evan: who's sort of like the main you know the main female lead
Speaker:Evan: is uh stevie who's like has the coolest job ever she has a radio show from like
Speaker:Evan: the top of this awesome um lighthouse you know just playing records and you
Speaker:Evan: know doing her steamy you know uh kind of radio voice at midnight or whatever it's,
Speaker:Evan: it's great i know that that's like that whole vibe about the movie i think is is awesome just the,
Speaker:Evan: you know the capture sort of like this early 80s uh california ghost vibe or
Speaker:Evan: i don't know i don't know what how to describe it those aren't very good descriptive words it.
Speaker:Kayt: Is a dream job from a a dream location it's pretty cool which.
Speaker:Evan: But she can't so she's i think they mentioned that she owns the lighthouse yeah
Speaker:Evan: i think but that seems to be her only job per se so it's the 80s she seems to
Speaker:Evan: have a pretty sweet you can get by you can get by on it well like five dollars i don't know don't.
Speaker:Brandon: You live in the lighthouse though.
Speaker:Evan: No she doesn't though she has like a separate beach pizza house.
Speaker:Brandon: Yeah, like waterfront property.
Speaker:Kayt: She has two waterfront properties in California.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah, but I mean, one of them is a walk-up, right? So it's cheaper.
Speaker:Evan: She has to walk up like 50 stairs and like down, like she goes,
Speaker:Evan: there's a lot of staircases involved.
Speaker:Evan: It would not have been so fun moving into the lighthouse. But yeah,
Speaker:Evan: she's got like a sweet record collection, playing things.
Speaker:Evan: I don't know. That whole aspect of it I thought was just, yeah,
Speaker:Evan: it's very cool. I don't know.
Speaker:Kayt: It's a good way to do exposition, too. Like, that she kind of gets to...
Speaker:Kayt: explain things from like the high point
Speaker:Kayt: of like the lighthouse you know that it's not like it's for a reason because
Speaker:Kayt: she's reporting on like the weather you know so we get to hear about the weather
Speaker:Kayt: all over and she gets to talk about it in a way that's interesting and not just
Speaker:Kayt: kind of like thrown in in a kind of weird awkward way yeah.
Speaker:Evan: And it's one of my favorite uh like horror movie i guess it's a trope i think
Speaker:Evan: i always think of like night of living dead as kind of the Well,
Speaker:Evan: not the first one, but maybe one of the best ones of using the radio to give
Speaker:Evan: people in the movie or in the town information about what they have to do.
Speaker:Evan: And she's literally the character that is doing the radio show.
Speaker:Evan: She gets calls from the weather guy who ends up getting fogged,
Speaker:Evan: which I'm just going to go with the fog thing.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah, I like it as a verb.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah, he gets killed and he had been giving her information about the weather and the whole thing.
Speaker:Evan: yes that's basically what he was doing which you know
Speaker:Evan: if he had just if he hadn't been so flirty he wouldn't have had to go into work
Speaker:Evan: that day and then taking a shift he didn't need to but that's the other thing
Speaker:Evan: too he doesn't was he one of the original six people no he just happens to be
Speaker:Evan: in the wrong place the wrong time just take.
Speaker:Kayt: I wasn't sure if they just took sick it was just like well well, we just need six people.
Speaker:Evan: Oh, maybe that's true. The only people that seem to, well, they have the priest
Speaker:Evan: whose grandfather was presumably part of the town.
Speaker:Evan: And then I feel like the woman who was sort of the, was she the mayor or the, maybe she was the mayor?
Speaker:Evan: What do they say is her title? No, they don't say she's the mayor.
Speaker:Evan: She's just sort of like the leader of the town.
Speaker:Evan: I just presume that she also must have been somehow related to it, but either way.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah, so he just, yeah, the fog, it wasn't very you know selective in their
Speaker:Evan: killings you know they just will kill anyone that opens the door presumably
Speaker:Evan: but then it seemed like they could also come through the windows anyway so I
Speaker:Evan: don't know why they had to really open the door after all,
Speaker:Evan: courtesy because they don't yeah it's it's what it's like vampires they have
Speaker:Evan: to like let them in or something you know they're very they're not very polite this.
Speaker:Brandon: Actually was uh this is a prequel to vampires,
Speaker:Brandon: you have to stop drinking when.
Speaker:Evan: I'm talking i will say i know i swear every time i take some water you say something
Speaker:Evan: and i'm about to spit it across my screen and create a create a mist of of water.
Speaker:Kayt: It's like an interactive podcast yeah.
Speaker:Evan: You need you need one of those uh what are those movies like the 4dx where
Speaker:Evan: you sit and they like spit spit water and fog and smoke someone told me they
Speaker:Evan: saw the twisters the the new twisters movie under in the 4d and it like would
Speaker:Evan: shoot you know air at you during the twisters which i guess is kind of cool
Speaker:Evan: but also to me would be really i actively don't want that yeah it's also really funny because.
Speaker:Kayt: They they were showing them at like the amcs where you can like dine in and
Speaker:Kayt: it's like if somebody brought their like burger in there and then they're just
Speaker:Kayt: getting like sprayed and like shook every which way,
Speaker:Kayt: like it doesn't seem like an ideal dining experience.
Speaker:Evan: No, I, yeah, though. I mean the dining and do while eating while in a movie
Speaker:Evan: is like in theory is good, but I just feel like if your popcorn is just the
Speaker:Evan: popcorn and candy soda scene.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah. Maybe I'm a purist, I guess.
Speaker:Brandon: I'm with you except that peak movie theater is when they also serve beer.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah, I'm all about that.
Speaker:Brandon: Because my movie theater experience is that I'm going to have beer either way.
Speaker:Brandon: So if they sell it to me, it's easier for both of us.
Speaker:Evan: Rather than having to bring in the pocket beer.
Speaker:Brandon: Yeah, I've brought in full bottles of whiskey to the movies.
Speaker:Brandon: So they're saving themselves a lot of trouble if they just sell me beer.
Speaker:Kayt: Fair enough.
Speaker:Evan: I actually did go to one of those theaters recently. I saw, I think it was Civil
Speaker:Evan: War, and the only theater it was playing at was one of those dine-in ones.
Speaker:Evan: And the people next to me had a pitcher of margaritas, they had wings.
Speaker:Evan: They were having an entire feast while we're watching it. I don't think they,
Speaker:Evan: like, they also really weren't paying attention to the movie.
Speaker:Evan: So essentially, it was just them eating out at a really expensive restaurant
Speaker:Evan: while a movie was playing at the same time, which I don't get that.
Speaker:Brandon: I had a really similar experience recently, but kind of inverted,
Speaker:Brandon: where there's a horror-themed, classic Universal Monsters-themed restaurant
Speaker:Brandon: in Philly called Monster Vegan. Oh, yeah.
Speaker:Kayt: I live in Philly. Yeah.
Speaker:Brandon: Wait, you live in Philly? Yeah.
Speaker:Kayt: Oh. And you love horror.
Speaker:Brandon: We have some mutual friends.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah, we must.
Speaker:Brandon: Because I go to the Horror-a-thon every year.
Speaker:Kayt: Oh, cool. Okay.
Speaker:Brandon: I've gone to the Horror-a-thon for the last 12 or 13 years.
Speaker:Kayt: Hell yeah.
Speaker:Brandon: Yeah.
Speaker:Kayt: Look at that.
Speaker:Brandon: I lost my train of thought.
Speaker:Kayt: Sorry.
Speaker:Brandon: Oh, yeah. I went to Monster Vegan while they were doing a quote-unquote screening.
Speaker:Brandon: They were just using a projector for an alligator.
Speaker:Brandon: But it was just a regular dining experience. They just have a movie playing
Speaker:Brandon: for you in the background.
Speaker:Evan: I like restaurants that do that. Even if it's not like for a thing where they
Speaker:Evan: just show like, you know, there's a one near me where they just show like old,
Speaker:Evan: like kind of film noirs just playing in the background.
Speaker:Evan: You can have like a drink and you can't hear it, but you can have something.
Speaker:Brandon: This is a little bit more engaged than that. Like they do like book a specific
Speaker:Brandon: room where like, you don't really have to have a reservation,
Speaker:Brandon: but like you just reserve it ahead of time, which I guess is what a reservation
Speaker:Brandon: is. I don't know how words work.
Speaker:Evan: Um i guess the
Speaker:Evan: one thing i was going to say about since we're all we'll get into the mist inside
Speaker:Evan: of the really bad cgi in the
Speaker:Evan: fog there isn't really that much cgi necessary
Speaker:Evan: but i think the little bit they have in the practical effects that
Speaker:Evan: carpenter uses for some of like the the killing kill
Speaker:Evan: scenes and some of the dead bodies is all like pretty good i think it all holds
Speaker:Evan: up pretty well given you know other i mean for most of carpenter's movies i
Speaker:Evan: think the cgi might hold up except for maybe the escape from LA and New York
Speaker:Evan: some of those are as Brendan and I discussed were pretty terrible spot.
Speaker:Brandon: On man perfect flawless.
Speaker:Evan: Flawless flawless CGI or not flawless flawlessly bad I.
Speaker:Brandon: Was saying flawless as in perfect but I was being deeply sarcastic.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah I would have hoped so given that we went on that for a little while during
Speaker:Evan: that but yeah other than that like I think the fog is you know I don't know it's,
Speaker:Evan: the vibe of the entire movie for me is you know it's there but i don't know
Speaker:Evan: do you have any uh kate any last kind of thoughts on the fog and then we can
Speaker:Evan: switch to the other weather pattern for today no.
Speaker:Kayt: I mean i think it's great i love the music it's you know another john carpenter
Speaker:Kayt: special um it's a someone actually on uh the internet said it was like a thanks
Speaker:Kayt: a good thanksgiving movie um.
Speaker:Evan: Which is.
Speaker:Kayt: You know coming up so if you want to watch it for but it feels like a good fall,
Speaker:Kayt: like spooky fall movie you're getting into your like cozy pumpkin haunted stuff
Speaker:Kayt: so like halloween or thanksgiving i think is like a good time yeah.
Speaker:Evan: I can actually see thanksgiving because now that now that i made the like the
Speaker:Evan: joke that it's kind of similar to you know the holiday that they're celebrating
Speaker:Evan: their centennial so i guess it's kind of the same idea in a way thanksgiving is more of of a fall.
Speaker:Evan: It is a fall holiday as July 4th is not.
Speaker:Evan: So this is, so is this, is this like a, this is a Thanksgiving movie then?
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah.
Speaker:Evan: I like it.
Speaker:Kayt: And there aren't that many Thanksgiving horror movies. There are a couple in there. Pretty bad.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah. As I say, I can't think of any really good Thanksgiving horror movies.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah. Thanksgiving is extremely, extremely bad.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah. That's the only one that I can think of really at the top of my mind.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah. So if you're listening out there and you have you know five to ten million
Speaker:Evan: dollars to make a movie consider making a thanksgiving actually you could do
Speaker:Evan: something like this where you just kill a bunch of the founding fathers of america i mean i.
Speaker:Kayt: Think there's a lot of ideas there for people with horror wasn't.
Speaker:Brandon: There a thanksgiving themed slasher flick like a year or two ago.
Speaker:Kayt: There's one that's like a pilgrim thanksgiving slasher right.
Speaker:Evan: Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker:Brandon: That was it was actually not terrible it wasn't great but but I didn't hate it.
Speaker:Kayt: Well, there can be, yeah, there can be more. I feel like if somebody made one
Speaker:Kayt: that was kind of like the witch, the vich for Thanksgiving specifically.
Speaker:Brandon: To me, that feels like a Thanksgiving movie.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah, no, that's definitely a Thanksgiving movie. We should curate like a sort
Speaker:Kayt: of tangentially Thanksgiving film festival.
Speaker:Evan: Isn't there a movie? I don't think I've actually seen it.
Speaker:Evan: I want to say that Bruce Campbell was in some movie about Black Friday.
Speaker:Evan: Did I make that up?
Speaker:Evan: I have to look that up. For some reason, it sounds like I thought because Black
Speaker:Evan: Friday, I assume, would be like took place in a store.
Speaker:Kayt: Oh, like the horrors of malls. Yeah.
Speaker:Evan: I think anything related to shopping is kind of like a horror movie to Dawn
Speaker:Evan: of the Dead, which I guess that's not a Thanksgiving movie, but it takes place
Speaker:Evan: in a... That's about all I got there.
Speaker:Evan: But yeah, so I guess we can go over to The Mist.
Speaker:Evan: And I think you had mentioned, Brandon, that you can see it in the black and
Speaker:Evan: white if you have the DVD.
Speaker:Evan: I couldn't find it anywhere online otherwise, which is why I went with that.
Speaker:Evan: But the one thing that I thought was really cool, I mean, neither of these movies have very high budgets.
Speaker:Evan: I forgot to mention that the fog was only made for a million dollars and it
Speaker:Evan: netted 21 million in the box office.
Speaker:Evan: Whereas the mist, you know, with inflation, it's up to 18 million in 2007 for
Speaker:Evan: the budget, and it made 57 million.
Speaker:Evan: So pretty solid. But the thing that I learned about it is that Frank Darabont,
Speaker:Evan: when he wanted to make the movie and got the rights from Stephen King,
Speaker:Evan: he apparently was told they had to make the movie and film it in six weeks,
Speaker:Evan: which I think might've also included some of the editing.
Speaker:Evan: They had to do the whole thing in just a couple months, which is crazy.
Speaker:Evan: And they basically said, I'll do that if you let me keep the original ending,
Speaker:Evan: which I'm sure we'll talk about, is a pretty brutal ending as far as endings go.
Speaker:Evan: Endings that you don't normally see in movies in general, which the studio did not want to.
Speaker:Evan: I think Harvey Weinstein might have been part of that, or maybe I I made that up.
Speaker:Evan: For some reason, I thought Harvey Weinstein said they didn't want to have it.
Speaker:Evan: Maybe I'm misremembering. Anyway, but yeah, The Mist is an adaptation of the
Speaker:Evan: Stephen King book from 1980, which the ending is completely different than his book.
Speaker:Evan: And they have a special feature on the Blu-ray with them talking about it.
Speaker:Evan: And he said, Stephen King, that it was one of his few favorite adaptations of any of his books.
Speaker:Evan: And I think Frank Darabont pretty much killed this this, uh.
Speaker:Brandon: I could be mixing this up with something else, but didn't he say about The Mist
Speaker:Brandon: that he liked their ending better than his own?
Speaker:Evan: He did say that, yep.
Speaker:Brandon: Which, admittedly, when I first saw this movie, I think if the ending had been
Speaker:Brandon: different, I would have probably more or less forgotten about it,
Speaker:Brandon: but it was so fucking memorable.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah, the ending is such, it wrecks you.
Speaker:Brandon: It's brutal.
Speaker:Kayt: It is brutal.
Speaker:Brandon: And when I watched it again years
Speaker:Brandon: later, I was like, oh, this whole movie actually is solid and stands up.
Speaker:Brandon: That ending is probably the reason that I actually came back and revisited the movie.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah, I think the tropes in it, as far as the Lovecraftian, you mentioned,
Speaker:Evan: Brandon, the cosmic horror.
Speaker:Evan: You have sort of that religious kind of woman in it, which I think is an interesting
Speaker:Evan: piece we can also discuss.
Speaker:Evan: us and then you have kind of like just the monsters in
Speaker:Evan: the mist literally you know of unknown origin you
Speaker:Evan: know that at first you don't think you don't know what's there you don't know
Speaker:Evan: that's out there and then slowly see more and more of them and the practical
Speaker:Evan: effects they use for some of the monsters was good but the cgi for the ones
Speaker:Evan: they use was really bad but that's the only knock on the movie i would say is the scene honestly it's.
Speaker:Kayt: So funny that like i guess we haven't gotten there
Speaker:Kayt: yet and like me i kind of hope maybe we don't but like how we have nostalgia
Speaker:Kayt: for practical effects we have no nostalgia for like early cgi um says a lot
Speaker:Kayt: about yeah like practical effects and how they can like hold up.
Speaker:Brandon: In my limited experience dealing with the young
Speaker:Brandon: folks um it's it's been in my experience that like for like i'm i'm 40 people
Speaker:Brandon: of of my sort of uh peer group yeah extremely uh nostalgic for for practical
Speaker:Brandon: effects yeah i find that like a lot of younger people that i've talked to about
Speaker:Brandon: horror movies which granted not a lot of,
Speaker:Brandon: i've done this with but they're relatively indifferent they're just
Speaker:Brandon: kind of like all right whatever i mean like granted that you know if you're younger you're
Speaker:Brandon: coming up in an era where cgi has gotten so much better because we all had to
Speaker:Brandon: suffer through the real worst of it yeah um but yeah that when you like i worked
Speaker:Brandon: with someone last year who was mid-20s actually told me their favorite movie
Speaker:Brandon: was the thing but like we talk about modern stuff with like heavy cgi and like
Speaker:Brandon: never mentioned CGI versus practical effects.
Speaker:Brandon: It just wasn't a factor to her, you know, viewing experience,
Speaker:Brandon: which to me, like the reason the thing is one of my favorite movies is that.
Speaker:Kayt: Oh yeah. And like finding out, like watching the behind the scenes movie of
Speaker:Kayt: the thing and like hearing all the special effects guys talk about how they
Speaker:Kayt: like gassed themselves by accident once and like set the place on fire.
Speaker:Kayt: fire and you know like uh the.
Speaker:Brandon: Way they made.
Speaker:Kayt: The thing logo like in a fish tank is like the coolest shit.
Speaker:Brandon: That's so fucking cool yeah i was i was gutted recently because i learned that
Speaker:Brandon: when they did the like requel or whatever you want to call it for the thing
Speaker:Brandon: um apparently that director's favorite movie was the thing and he like genuinely
Speaker:Brandon: wanted to like do it justice and apparently he insisted that like,
Speaker:Brandon: most to all of the effects be practical and like
Speaker:Brandon: after the fact producers were like uh this actually
Speaker:Brandon: sucks make it all cgi um so apparently the original intention was the director
Speaker:Brandon: was like no no i want to do justice to one of my favorite movies let's do this
Speaker:Brandon: right and it got fucked over by the studio yeah typical yeah so i i don't know
Speaker:Brandon: if there's like a like a director's cut that has more
Speaker:Brandon: practical effects out there or to what stage it made it to.
Speaker:Brandon: But it made me really curious about what could have been.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah. I mean, the one thing I did also learn about in the miss is that Frank
Speaker:Evan: Darabont wanted to use more practical effects than they ended up using.
Speaker:Evan: So they like build all these, like a lot of the times when they would have something
Speaker:Evan: like a bug in the, in the grocery store flying at them, they actually were holding
Speaker:Evan: up like the model to kind of show them what it looked like.
Speaker:Evan: And then they CGI in the, you know, terrible ones. I
Speaker:Evan: wish they had just gone with that because also in
Speaker:Evan: the and then the scene when they're the early on when they're in
Speaker:Evan: the in the grocery store and they go to the back and the the one
Speaker:Evan: you know the bag guy is you know pulled out by
Speaker:Evan: like the you know whatever the monster with the
Speaker:Evan: arms octopus whatever it is they had like one of the pieces they use was a real
Speaker:Evan: you know piece they're going to use and then they cut that out too they're like
Speaker:Evan: no we're just going to use CJ over it and that's really just disappointing like
Speaker:Evan: I don't the only reason they did that i think was because they wanted to rush
Speaker:Evan: it to screen they could put it out quicker,
Speaker:Evan: which i don't know that actually that doesn't actually make any sense well
Speaker:Evan: i guess they use really shitty cgi they can do it really quick i don't
Speaker:Evan: know and and they did but yeah as i
Speaker:Evan: said like so that's like the worst part of the movie but i don't know the i
Speaker:Evan: i just love the the setup and because we both are talking about this is actually
Speaker:Evan: perfect i don't know if either of you you notice at the very beginning of the
Speaker:Evan: miss when they show the um the artist uh played by um.
Speaker:Evan: Tom Jane. Thomas Tom Jane, yeah.
Speaker:Evan: He's doing his little artist thing, and one of the, he has the thing,
Speaker:Evan: yeah, you knew what I was going to say.
Speaker:Evan: He has the thing screen, the cover right in the background as if he had been
Speaker:Evan: the person who designed that.
Speaker:Evan: And I don't know why they chose to do that, but they did, and it's also my,
Speaker:Evan: you probably can't see it, it's my home screen.
Speaker:Evan: But yeah, I thought that was such a cool little nod and just kind of a really good setup to the movie.
Speaker:Brandon: Game recognized game, yeah.
Speaker:Kayt: Totally. yeah you do the like leonardo dicaprio pointing meme to.
Speaker:Evan: To the same poster is that like i'm like sitting there holding my phone with
Speaker:Evan: the actual picture i'm like look that's the thing yeah that's uh we're.
Speaker:Brandon: Literally doing a podcast about two different movies and we keep talking about
Speaker:Brandon: the thing yeah well no complaints i'm just that's what a good movie it is is well.
Speaker:Evan: It's a it's a movie that has two words and the one starts with the so it's a
Speaker:Evan: triple feature the thing i don't
Speaker:Evan: like there is i guess there isn't any really there is
Speaker:Evan: weather involved in the thing as well there's snow and cold
Speaker:Evan: so you could have you could do it as a tenuous connection
Speaker:Evan: bud i was trying trying to
Speaker:Evan: get it in there but yeah the the like the whole um like the whole opening and
Speaker:Evan: the way they kind of build it is the i guess one of the so the um i know oh
Speaker:Evan: i know i know i was going to say is that andre brower who uh was you know his
Speaker:Evan: neighbor in the like the opening of the movie and we have it,
Speaker:Evan: I thought it was such like a good kind of opening to creating this,
Speaker:Evan: you know, coastal elite kind of thing with sort of like the locals of the town.
Speaker:Evan: And then it gets kind of really like flipped around a lot with some of the different people in the store.
Speaker:Evan: And, you know, just an entire movie taking place in essentially one location
Speaker:Evan: for the entire time, minus a few, you know, the very last scene and the scene
Speaker:Evan: they go next door to the pharmacy and a few scenes in in the parking lot, it's all one place.
Speaker:Evan: And it, I don't know, it, you don't, you don't, it doesn't feel like it,
Speaker:Evan: you know, some of those movies where it's everything takes place in a single place.
Speaker:Evan: And it, uh, I don't know. I thought it was, uh,
Speaker:Evan: especially like the camera work which i then learned in the extras was the cameras
Speaker:Evan: were on these 360 degree sort of like.
Speaker:Kayt: A lazy susan.
Speaker:Evan: Or something yeah or there was like on their shoulders but they were able to
Speaker:Evan: move like in 360 degrees around it so apparently a lot of the shots they were
Speaker:Evan: using were actually like the background shots that they then able were able
Speaker:Evan: to capture sort of accidentally and so like the screen like all the i don't
Speaker:Evan: know i'm just going on and on It feels.
Speaker:Brandon: Like a dumb guy thing to say, but this is a very small movie that takes place largely in one store.
Speaker:Brandon: And until you said that, I never really realized that because it doesn't have the feeling of a small.
Speaker:Brandon: There's nothing claustrophobic about it. There's nothing that feels like it
Speaker:Brandon: fell short because they were confined.
Speaker:Brandon: They had the space of a supermarket, but yeah, I did not realize that actually.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah, that's always a good place for a horror movie. you know,
Speaker:Kayt: I think is like the single location.
Speaker:Evan: I mean, yeah, sorry to interrupt you. I was going to say that's,
Speaker:Evan: yeah, I agree. I love that guy.
Speaker:Evan: You know, I like that kind of trope of, but yeah, they had all the different
Speaker:Evan: spots in the grocery store.
Speaker:Evan: You know, you had kind of the scene by the windows where they're blocking,
Speaker:Evan: you know, preventing the creatures from coming in.
Speaker:Evan: They have the garage area, the loading dock, and then, you know,
Speaker:Evan: the pharmacy next door, which is probably like the creepiest part,
Speaker:Evan: even though the CGI sucks. It was the spiders always creep the hell out of me is really gross.
Speaker:Kayt: And that one and like when the spiders take over the guy and then just pour
Speaker:Kayt: out of him. It's so gross.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah, that was that was definitely good. But yeah, I mean the the yeah,
Speaker:Evan: I don't know Brandon. That's,
Speaker:Evan: I don't know. I think that the cameras, I think, maybe played into it where
Speaker:Evan: you didn't... It wasn't just kind of like from a single perspective either.
Speaker:Evan: You always got... You had them sitting on the ground when the other woman is
Speaker:Evan: kind of helping his son and taking
Speaker:Evan: care of his son and all these different things. And yeah, I don't know.
Speaker:Evan: The first time I saw this, I didn't know the ending.
Speaker:Evan: I didn't know what was going to happen. But I thought to myself,
Speaker:Evan: something is gonna happen to this kid and it's gonna be devastating because
Speaker:Evan: why have him here if not either be the person who only one who survives or he's going to die yeah.
Speaker:Kayt: Oof what an end um.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah and so this is that okay no.
Speaker:Kayt: I uh i would love to talk about yeah just like the relationships between everyone
Speaker:Kayt: and like how people all deal with like chaos in the movie me.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah yeah so that's like i guess to bring some of the other sort
Speaker:Evan: of like the main like the main characters as far as
Speaker:Evan: the within there is the david and his
Speaker:Evan: son who i was just referring to and so he's sort
Speaker:Evan: of like the local in the town who paints you know these posters for movies and
Speaker:Evan: then you have um i think her name is mrs carmody who's sort of this religious
Speaker:Evan: fanatic you mentioned her earlier brandon like the the theory about her so she
Speaker:Evan: kind of is the you slowly kind of see her become more fanatical and getting
Speaker:Evan: more people kind of behind her.
Speaker:Evan: And then you have, I think, Amanda Dunfrey, who's played by Lori Holden,
Speaker:Evan: who's, I think they mentioned she has a family, but she's just there by herself.
Speaker:Evan: Andre Brouwer, Brent Norton, who's sort of like the big city attorney,
Speaker:Evan: who's the neighbor who we meet early on.
Speaker:Evan: And then you have a bunch of people sort of who work, who are more like,
Speaker:Evan: I would say, I guess you could call them more like working class people,
Speaker:Evan: the people who work in the grocery store.
Speaker:Evan: I love Toby Jones just as an actor in general, and I thought he is great in this movie.
Speaker:Evan: And he's kind of a bag boy, I guess, or some person in the grocery store.
Speaker:Evan: You have the grocery store owner.
Speaker:Evan: And then you have a few of the local residents, kind of like working class type
Speaker:Evan: people that are... One of them's kind of in,
Speaker:Evan: I don't know, maybe in kind of like, not scrubs is the wrong word.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah, it's like coveralls.
Speaker:Evan: Like he works in a, coveralls, yes, that was a word I was thinking of.
Speaker:Evan: He works in cars, perhaps, Brandon. He could be a comrade on Cars and Comrades,
Speaker:Evan: although based on his trajectory in this, probably not, given that he kind of
Speaker:Evan: goes the religious fanatic.
Speaker:Evan: But those are kind of like all the main ones. I don't think I missed any.
Speaker:Evan: I think that's all of them.
Speaker:Kayt: Oh, there's the older lady who's amazing. I guess she's not a main character.
Speaker:Evan: Oh, yeah. She has the best lines.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah, when she lobs a can of peas at Mrs. Carmody and calls her a buzzard or something.
Speaker:Evan: She also has... I mean, we can talk about the relationship, but she has one
Speaker:Evan: of my favorite lines in the whole movie.
Speaker:Evan: Before they're locked in the grocery store and they're just having a panic before
Speaker:Evan: the mist, I guess, like kind of consumes the whole town.
Speaker:Evan: She like very astutely basically says, you know, why is it that the military
Speaker:Evan: is, you know, running this town and spending all their money on weapons instead
Speaker:Evan: of, you know, education?
Speaker:Evan: And then you, you know, it's kind of like setting up a lot of what will happen
Speaker:Evan: is that we learn later that the military has basically had an experiment that's gone wrong and,
Speaker:Evan: you know, now killed probably half or more of the town. And so it's actually.
Speaker:Brandon: A commentary on why we need an enormous military budget so that they have money
Speaker:Brandon: to clean up their own mistakes with. Right.
Speaker:Kayt: Because they have to save us at the end.
Speaker:Brandon: Yeah.
Speaker:Evan: Yes, that's right. If we hadn't given that money, how would they have been able
Speaker:Evan: to afford those big flamethrowers and things at the end of the movie?
Speaker:Kayt: Exactly.
Speaker:Evan: The relationships between them is interesting. I guess it all devolves into
Speaker:Evan: these different little clicks almost.
Speaker:Evan: You have the people that follow the religious fanatic and you have the son who
Speaker:Evan: is just in utter shock of all of this.
Speaker:Evan: His mother isn't there. His mother is still at home. And I don't know,
Speaker:Evan: what did you make of some of the like the relationships and maybe how they fit
Speaker:Evan: in kind of how they deal with all of what's going?
Speaker:Kayt: I mean, I think ultimately, even though I really like this movie,
Speaker:Kayt: I think the politics are kind of conservative.
Speaker:Kayt: Like, you know, sort of lib conservative, I guess that it's,
Speaker:Kayt: it's like a very individualistic sort of idea of how people react to,
Speaker:Kayt: you know, like some sort of disaster.
Speaker:Kayt: there's this book that like is after i watched the
Speaker:Kayt: mist i was like oh shit i have this book in my bookshelf
Speaker:Kayt: um called hope against hope which is like
Speaker:Kayt: a um like a marxist or
Speaker:Kayt: anarchist um conversation about like
Speaker:Kayt: uh global catastrophe um it's by the out of the woods collective and um They
Speaker:Kayt: talk about how like most of the ideas of how chaos happens after a like they
Speaker:Kayt: also say like there's no such thing as a natural disaster, really.
Speaker:Kayt: oh look at that cat um you know
Speaker:Kayt: because like most disasters are predicated on
Speaker:Kayt: something happening that like maybe we
Speaker:Kayt: did in this case like the natural you know
Speaker:Kayt: the disaster that like is cosmic was also caused by the military but that like
Speaker:Kayt: the idea that humans when there's a huge disaster like a hurricane or something
Speaker:Kayt: like that act in like factions and sort of like attack each other is a myth that.
Speaker:Kayt: The government or like the bureaucracy wants us
Speaker:Kayt: you know like kind of focuses on the media focuses
Speaker:Kayt: on it too like looting and stuff like that as a
Speaker:Kayt: way to like discourage solidarity and
Speaker:Kayt: mutual aid and shit good shit like that um and that like often the real help
Speaker:Kayt: is like within a community and like not without and like in the in this case
Speaker:Kayt: i feel like they do a lot of convert like,
Speaker:Kayt: philosophizing when they're talking about like whether they should
Speaker:Kayt: all leave or not and the only
Speaker:Kayt: one who believes that like people are
Speaker:Kayt: like tend towards mutual aid
Speaker:Kayt: rather than like competition is the
Speaker:Kayt: teacher and everyone else is just like yeah people fucking suck and like yes
Speaker:Kayt: there are a lot of people who suck but i do think that like the way this movie
Speaker:Kayt: sees humanity is pretty grim and nihilistic even though i like i.
Speaker:Evan: Mean i mean seth no no i was just gonna say it's kind of common amongst a lot of stephen king.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah i think.
Speaker:Evan: To have this it's very these are his politics unfortunately and so that's what.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah i mean he he was wearing a t-shirt that said let me speak the with a kamala on it so yeah.
Speaker:Brandon: I mean so i'm not inclined to disagree with you in regards.
Speaker:Kayt: To you.
Speaker:Brandon: Know people banding together and helping each other out but you know it's uh
Speaker:Brandon: i would say that there's there's there's two interpretations that i would make
Speaker:Brandon: of it where it's either you know staring at a mirror or it's like projecting
Speaker:Brandon: but either way it's no it's that's a manifestation of american exceptionalism like.
Speaker:Kayt: Would generally.
Speaker:Brandon: Would humanity band together to try and do it yes but would america intervene
Speaker:Brandon: to make goddamn sure that no one does fan together also yes.
Speaker:Kayt: Oh totally yeah we.
Speaker:Brandon: We are indoctrinated enough against our own nature i think that yeah i could really you
Speaker:Brandon: realistically see like in a disaster like that things
Speaker:Brandon: absolutely falling apart actually i kind of feel like it starts
Speaker:Brandon: to come out in the wash in like bigger things like when they're natural disasters
Speaker:Brandon: people look out for each other but yeah i think if you cram like 10 people into
Speaker:Brandon: a small building together under truly horrific circumstances because my talent
Speaker:Brandon: as i've gotten older is to start to be better able to actually imagine myself
Speaker:Brandon: in a situation like that and not like oh if i were,
Speaker:Brandon: in a zombie apocalypse i'd just kick all their asses but more
Speaker:Brandon: in the like uh if i were in a zombie apocalypse like you
Speaker:Brandon: don't have a conceptualization of it
Speaker:Brandon: being a zombie apocalypse so from your perspective you actually are just having
Speaker:Brandon: to kill your peers are you capable of doing that and i think your average person
Speaker:Brandon: isn't but the dialogue is always like oh i would just do this so like in a situation
Speaker:Brandon: like that like we when you really imagine yourself in it like Like,
Speaker:Brandon: I know my reaction would be like,
Speaker:Brandon: we have to fucking help each other out because that shit is wild out there.
Speaker:Brandon: But yeah, I mean, like you, you suddenly your entire world has ended.
Speaker:Brandon: So what do you have left the people in the room with you?
Speaker:Brandon: Yeah, I don't know what point I was making. I kind of went on a tangent there.
Speaker:Kayt: I think that's a good point. And then, like, I think, you know,
Speaker:Kayt: you mentioned at the beginning, the Mrs.
Speaker:Kayt: is Carmody character and how like maybe she was there's, there's a case for
Speaker:Kayt: her being right all along that like, this is,
Speaker:Kayt: I think she said like this, you know, the end comes in is coming in miss not in fire.
Speaker:Kayt: And like it very well could be the end. I mean, it's the end of something.
Speaker:Kayt: And like, even though everyone talks about her being crazy throughout the movie, um,
Speaker:Kayt: people do get killed sort of according to
Speaker:Kayt: their sins or like according to like what they do wrong in a lot of cases you
Speaker:Kayt: know like the bat the young guy gets killed first because he has like a sense
Speaker:Kayt: of like like sort of an out of uh like an exaggerated sense of like masculinity and like
Speaker:Kayt: uh i can't think of the word it's
Speaker:Kayt: like one of the deadly sins right sure
Speaker:Kayt: yeah let's yeah like he and
Speaker:Kayt: like he gets killed for that and then like there's the guy who's like when he
Speaker:Kayt: leaves he's who i think was like probably the coolest guy the biker dude who
Speaker:Kayt: was like i believe in god too but and not your bullshit god and then he gets torn in half like.
Speaker:Brandon: What does that say i feel like
Speaker:Brandon: uh i'm gonna get a bunch of blank stares but did
Speaker:Brandon: either of you ever happen to watch the tv show no
Speaker:Brandon: i haven't okay so there's a missed tv show and
Speaker:Brandon: they like it's i remember not liking it that
Speaker:Brandon: much but after three or four episodes i kind of got a
Speaker:Brandon: bit more into it it's definitely not quite up
Speaker:Brandon: to to snuff with the movie and you could tell that they were hoping for a season
Speaker:Brandon: two that they didn't get but they like flesh out the ladies cult a little bit
Speaker:Brandon: more because you know they had eight or ten episodes or whatever to do it and
Speaker:Brandon: i don't i haven't watched it recently enough to cite specifics but i'll say
Speaker:Brandon: that like i felt like the cult that she was building up in the tv show is a.
Speaker:Evan: To the point of whether she's right, I mean, her, maybe her way of describing
Speaker:Evan: it because of the sins of individuals, you know, might be wrong.
Speaker:Evan: Like, oh, you know, you don't believe in God or you're, you know,
Speaker:Evan: you drink or you commit adultery or whatever.
Speaker:Evan: That's what she's kind of saying has caused this. But really what's caused it
Speaker:Evan: is the sins of, you know, corporations, you know, the system beyond.
Speaker:Evan: It's like saying, you know, people who, if you don't use a paper straw,
Speaker:Evan: you know, you're destroying the environment.
Speaker:Evan: We're like, okay, well, no, actually, it's like Exxon, like dumping thousands
Speaker:Evan: of gallons of oil into the Pacific Ocean and being like, whoops.
Speaker:Evan: You know, so she does see that there is some evil or something,
Speaker:Evan: you know, that she can understand.
Speaker:Evan: But really, the evil is, you know, the military industrial complex and,
Speaker:Evan: you know, these corporations and lobbyists and all these terrible things.
Speaker:Evan: But it's kind of misdirected because that's how, as you said,
Speaker:Evan: Kate, this is kind of a conservative, liberal-ish take on it.
Speaker:Evan: It doesn't really actually show the reasons for the problems.
Speaker:Evan: It just kind of briefly mentions it because that older woman has that one line,
Speaker:Evan: but they don't ever really mention the military until near the end of the movie
Speaker:Evan: when they kind of have some information because those two military guys feel guilty.
Speaker:Evan: Which I have to ask, why is it that they didn't talk to them until like the third act?
Speaker:Evan: Like military dudes inside here.
Speaker:Kayt: And they're so unhelpful.
Speaker:Kayt: Like the other two guys, they were just like, it was like, does anybody,
Speaker:Kayt: Hey, you guys who are like training to do, you know, ostensibly like scary shit.
Speaker:Kayt: Do you want to help us? And they're kind of like.
Speaker:Brandon: I mean, I feel like that's a
Speaker:Brandon: pretty spot on analysis that the guys in the military are fucking useless.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah. I guess at that point, I mean, maybe it's, I mean, I get that it has,
Speaker:Evan: you know, they needed to not know that information until later.
Speaker:Evan: and they had the guy, you know, kill himself because he's so,
Speaker:Evan: you know, guilt-stricken.
Speaker:Evan: But if he was guilt-stricken that whole time, maybe, like, help the people?
Speaker:Evan: I don't know. Like, you think that his, I don't know, military helping people,
Speaker:Evan: you know, he should have brought some freedom to the grocery store and democracy
Speaker:Evan: or something. I don't know.
Speaker:Brandon: My mental image of that is there being a small automotive section with a few
Speaker:Brandon: things of oil and he just sets up camp around there.
Speaker:Evan: There for a second for a second i didn't get it and then when i got it yeah he invades.
Speaker:Kayt: The oil aisle.
Speaker:Brandon: Everybody else is worried about food and he's good because he's got like three gallons of oil.
Speaker:Evan: He's stealing he's stealing everyone's jewelry to like melt down to build i
Speaker:Evan: don't know Something like in The Fog.
Speaker:Evan: Build a giant crucifix or whatever. But yeah, the...
Speaker:Evan: I don't know. That's... You could... I don't know.
Speaker:Evan: The one thing I did note when I was watching it, to me, it felt like the TV
Speaker:Evan: show The Stranger Things is directly based on...
Speaker:Evan: like the concept of this movie in
Speaker:Evan: that you have especially the first season where you or maybe multiple seasons
Speaker:Evan: where you have the military accidentally opening a portal to another world and
Speaker:Evan: like creatures coming through or like people going through i mean i don't know
Speaker:Evan: that this was an original thought in this necessarily but i seem like a very
Speaker:Evan: similar type of concept i.
Speaker:Brandon: See that no yeah i can see that.
Speaker:Evan: I don't know yeah the first couple seasons i like the stranger things i I haven't
Speaker:Evan: seen the most recent one.
Speaker:Kayt: I only saw the first. I kind of gave up on it. Yeah, I only saw the first one.
Speaker:Kayt: But yeah, like aesthetically, it's very 80s. But then, yeah, you're right.
Speaker:Kayt: It is the whole idea of it is that like the military is playing around with
Speaker:Kayt: lots of secret things, which I feel like is always an like I love military conspiracy stuff.
Speaker:Kayt: stuff and like because it's so plausible you know like i'm reading um that book
Speaker:Kayt: chaos right now about like the cia and charles manson and you're just like yeah.
Speaker:Evan: I mean.
Speaker:Kayt: It sounds like a conspiracy theory but it also sounds true because they're you
Speaker:Kayt: know it's like mk ultra we know is like absolutely true i.
Speaker:Evan: Was about to say that like if if that could be true like what else is it really
Speaker:Evan: that plausible to be true at this point that's.
Speaker:Brandon: Why when people do like whenever you meet a real conspiracy theorist i just
Speaker:Brandon: i don't know how to talk to them because i'm like they admit it when they do
Speaker:Brandon: stuff there's a paper trail every fucking time yeah it's true.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah just gotta wait 20 years or whatever and they'll they'll tell you i'm pretty
Speaker:Evan: uh pretty plain uh pretty plain what they've done but one other so one other
Speaker:Evan: thing since you can't mention the like the individual,
Speaker:Evan: kind of the individual nature of some of the people in the store like that seemed
Speaker:Evan: also Also, where the biggest conflict, aside from sort of like the Mrs.
Speaker:Evan: Carmody, the sort of religious fanatic, was between the Andre Brouwer character
Speaker:Evan: and sort of the Tom Jane character is that they both were kind of like wanted
Speaker:Evan: to be the sort of like the...
Speaker:Evan: the savior or the person who was doing it. But it did seem more like that Thomas
Speaker:Evan: Jane just genuinely wanted to help.
Speaker:Evan: He had his kid there. He wanted to do whatever it took to do the things.
Speaker:Evan: But then Andre Brouwer is this big shot elite and kind of quotes attorney from
Speaker:Evan: New York City, presumably.
Speaker:Evan: And they kind of created this kind
Speaker:Evan: of rift between them and eventually gets himself killed because of it but they
Speaker:Evan: all seem to have they they claim to have like the group of people in mind like
Speaker:Evan: oh we want to do everything but really they all just want themselves to be safe
Speaker:Evan: probably including you know the the tom jinker he wants him and his son really to be safe and if it
Speaker:Evan: if he can help some other people kind of in the meantime i don't know maybe
Speaker:Evan: i'm maybe i'm doing him dirty it's.
Speaker:Brandon: A metaphor for communism they're pretending to want to help other people to better themselves.
Speaker:Evan: But I don't know. Maybe, maybe his character is like genuinely like a good person.
Speaker:Evan: You know, he's trying to help the people.
Speaker:Evan: It does seem like that. And he gets pretty upset when, you know,
Speaker:Evan: he's trying to protect the, like the younger guy who gets, you know, pulled out early on.
Speaker:Evan: But whereas kind of the Andre Brouwer character really doesn't care about anyone else.
Speaker:Evan: They just want to get out of there with, you know, presumably a gun if they
Speaker:Evan: can get one or a weapon and then get the fuck out of Dodge. Yeah.
Speaker:Kayt: You know, the other thing that like I kind of focused on more this time watching
Speaker:Kayt: it is like at the beginning, there's also that woman who is like insists that
Speaker:Kayt: she needs to go out and get her kids and like make sure they're OK.
Speaker:Kayt: And no one helps her. And she like kind of keeps calling them out like none
Speaker:Kayt: of you are going to come with me.
Speaker:Kayt: None of you are going to check on my kids with me or like walk me to my car
Speaker:Kayt: and everyone just kind of looks away and they're all like, well,
Speaker:Kayt: I got to like be here, you know, and I don't know if that's fair or not fair,
Speaker:Kayt: but like it is a real sort of like tragic moment that you just like walks out and like disappears.
Speaker:Evan: Years yeah they like she asked a bunch of the people in it who later are like
Speaker:Evan: you know genuinely trying to help people but they wouldn't help her and isn't
Speaker:Evan: that um uh what is her name um,
Speaker:Evan: she's in the walking dead right melissa mcbride i think there's actually a bunch
Speaker:Evan: of actors in this who are also in the walking dust oh.
Speaker:Brandon: Yeah that is melissa mcbride.
Speaker:Evan: Laurie laurie holden who's also Also in it is in The Walking Dead.
Speaker:Evan: And then also the guy, Jeffrey DeMunn, who's the guy who like runs into the
Speaker:Evan: store and is like, there's something in the mist.
Speaker:Kayt: Oh, yeah.
Speaker:Evan: That guy also is in, I don't know how much of it he was in.
Speaker:Kayt: He's a very like, oh, that guy, guy. There's a lot of those in this movie. Like so many.
Speaker:Evan: It is. It is. They were talking about it in like the behind the scenes,
Speaker:Evan: how the cast is sort of like an ensemble cast.
Speaker:Evan: and that there's no really one star, just kind of a bunch of people that kind
Speaker:Evan: of all kind of play their part in it. But I think that's probably true.
Speaker:Evan: I mean, there's no like super...
Speaker:Evan: I guess Thomas Jane is probably the biggest one from I think of his movies he's been in a lot of big.
Speaker:Evan: I guess he's kind of a big star. I don't know. Has he been in anything recently?
Speaker:Brandon: I'm not good at gauging how big of a star somebody is sometimes.
Speaker:Brandon: Because if they're in movies that I'm watching, I assume they have failed.
Speaker:Kayt: I just always think of him as he plays himself in Arrested Development,
Speaker:Kayt: which is why I'll never forget his name.
Speaker:Kayt: because he's like Lindsay thinks he's a homeless guy and he's like I'm Tom Jane,
Speaker:Kayt: and yeah so I'm like I will always remember his name I think.
Speaker:Brandon: Of him as the guy from The Expanse.
Speaker:Kayt: Oh yeah also.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah the guy.
Speaker:Kayt: In the fedora from The Expanse he's also in Deep Blue Sea.
Speaker:Evan: Which I.
Speaker:Kayt: Recently watched again I.
Speaker:Evan: Think he was also I never actually saw the show but I think he was on the show called Hung
Speaker:Evan: which i think was like an hbo show from
Speaker:Evan: i don't know 10 or 12 years ago i think i only know because i mentioned it in
Speaker:Evan: the in the in the previous uh in the um the notes of but he also was in a bunch
Speaker:Evan: of like decent movies and when i say decent movies i'd say actually like you
Speaker:Evan: said um movies that you know actually i just looked at this he was in the buffy
Speaker:Evan: the vampire slayer oh that's.
Speaker:Kayt: Right yeah i that's i should that should be my first thing that i say yeah.
Speaker:Brandon: I'm really disappointed in you you right now.
Speaker:Kayt: I know we're very you know tv show centric but we should talk.
Speaker:Evan: About the film.
Speaker:Kayt: At some point.
Speaker:Evan: Apparently he was also in boogie nights oh yeah he
Speaker:Evan: was yeah now that i look at these movies i'm like oh yeah that's like it's as
Speaker:Evan: you said it's like oh that guy's in it yeah he's like one of the that guys i
Speaker:Evan: guess you could say yeah the other person who was in it uh that i was thinking
Speaker:Evan: is the like the guy who played the the guy like the coverall coveralls he's in like a lot of also
Speaker:Evan: random kinds of things. But yeah. Um,
Speaker:Evan: I don't think there's any other notes I had about the movie.
Speaker:Evan: Oh, I guess we should, again, I guess talk about the ending.
Speaker:Evan: You know, this is probably the furthest in a podcast I've gotten without accidentally
Speaker:Evan: sort of, I know we've talked about the spoilers in every episode.
Speaker:Evan: But the ending of this is pretty brutal where you have the, you know,
Speaker:Evan: I think five of them end up escaping or six of them because there's five bullets in the gun.
Speaker:Evan: Right? Is that right? Five? five?
Speaker:Brandon: I think there's five of them and four bullets. Yeah.
Speaker:Evan: Four bullets. Okay. Four bullets. That's right.
Speaker:Brandon: I think there's three in the backseat and him in the frontseat with a passenger.
Speaker:Evan: With a passenger. Who might that be?
Speaker:Brandon: I don't know.
Speaker:Evan: Might be his little son, unfortunately. His sweet, sweet son.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah. At least they had the courtesy of not showing.
Speaker:Evan: They just had the sound of the bullets ringing out from above.
Speaker:Evan: above and like i guess they're showing like the monster sort of
Speaker:Evan: like walking through the you know like jurassic park
Speaker:Evan: kind of shit like they're just kind of like roaming through the
Speaker:Evan: countryside just i don't know doing their
Speaker:Evan: thing and he kills them all and it's it's the the
Speaker:Evan: book ending is they basically just drive away and
Speaker:Evan: they not you don't know what happens they hear on the radio like
Speaker:Evan: something about hartford and presumably they're going to just find
Speaker:Evan: another place where it might might be safe but you never find out and then this
Speaker:Evan: you have him shooting all the other people not having a bullet for himself gets
Speaker:Evan: out of the car and like even this the first time i thought i'm like oh what's
Speaker:Evan: he how's he gonna kill himself is he gonna like get one of the monsters to eat
Speaker:Evan: him and then you're like yeah fuck so.
Speaker:Brandon: I feel like it is a relatively like well-established trope in certain genres
Speaker:Brandon: especially a post-apocalypse like uh you're you're,
Speaker:Brandon: breaking into a house looking for supplies and you find the couple
Speaker:Brandon: that killed themselves in the bedroom because they couldn't face whatever apocalypse
Speaker:Brandon: is waiting zombie apocalypse I have never seen one that even came close to being
Speaker:Brandon: as like gut wrenching as this one is like it's yeah he fucking kills his son
Speaker:Brandon: and then gets rescued Jesus fucking Christ no.
Speaker:Kayt: It is so fucking bleak and like I it's kind of the same thing with the movie
Speaker:Kayt: the ending like I I I like the ending for what it does to me emotionally,
Speaker:Kayt: but I'm not sure I like the implication, I guess, that like the military that
Speaker:Kayt: fucked them all up gets to also rescue them and be the heroes.
Speaker:Kayt: Like that's so nihilistic. I don't know.
Speaker:Brandon: I wouldn't argue that it's not nihilistic, but I'm not going to argue that they were rescued either.
Speaker:Brandon: Yeah. Four people died and one person is never going to be okay again.
Speaker:Kayt: That's true i mean he is not i i would just at that point be like don't take
Speaker:Kayt: me you know like i don't know just like there's no.
Speaker:Brandon: Path forward for that man.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah let the behemoth or whatever actually.
Speaker:Brandon: The arrival of the military in in the confines of the story condemn him.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah because.
Speaker:Evan: Like and the thing that's also crazy what's up i'm sorry i was just i was just saying it's also.
Speaker:Kayt: Also.
Speaker:Evan: You go.
Speaker:Brandon: I lost my point. Oh, my God.
Speaker:Kayt: Diabolical.
Speaker:Evan: I was just going to mention that it's also such a...
Speaker:Evan: like a brutal shot of the woman where we
Speaker:Evan: were just talking about who you know who the now i'm
Speaker:Evan: forgetting the actress's name who is in the walking dead who leaves to get her
Speaker:Evan: son and her kids at home she's they show her very distinctly on the little rescue
Speaker:Evan: military shot meaning that she got free so theoretically whoever had gone with
Speaker:Evan: her if if uh you know jane had gone with
Speaker:Evan: him with it with his kid they would have been alive maybe yeah um it's amazing
Speaker:Evan: that she survived like it's it almost seems like that like defies belief almost i.
Speaker:Brandon: Mean it's not really amazing it's just it's fiction.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah i.
Speaker:Kayt: Guess it's just coincidence like she just happened to make it through the mist like and.
Speaker:Evan: Nobody noticed.
Speaker:Kayt: Her or whatever i don't know or like they did say that like things get hinkier at night.
Speaker:Kayt: So I don't know. Maybe she had like a, just like a, a break and didn't realize it.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah. The little spider things or the whatever else decided they,
Speaker:Evan: they're eating the military dudes in the, which actually have all the people
Speaker:Evan: who died, the military people who were in the, the pharmacy definitely were
Speaker:Evan: the ones who deserved it most.
Speaker:Evan: They should have, hopefully all of them die later of like some horrific side
Speaker:Evan: effect of the, all the Agent Orange they were shooting in to kill all the monsters.
Speaker:Evan: But somehow they were easily able to then defeat the,
Speaker:Evan: Why were they not ready for them when they first opened the portal to then just like torch them?
Speaker:Brandon: Again, if you like put yourself in the movie, you can try to open up like parallel
Speaker:Brandon: universes and not necessarily expect cosmic horrors on the other side.
Speaker:Kayt: True.
Speaker:Brandon: Like scientifically speaking, that would probably be the last thing that would actually happen.
Speaker:Brandon: It would probably like just be some really innocuous like phenomenon of some
Speaker:Brandon: sort. and then when you're actually given uh you know chaos dinosaurs uh it's
Speaker:Brandon: it was probably somewhat of a surprise so.
Speaker:Evan: You're saying it could have been it could have been a fog but instead they got the.
Speaker:Kayt: Right the fog yeah if it was if they opened up the fog portal it's just zombie
Speaker:Kayt: sailors and then they but unfortunately they opened up the mist lovecraft portal yeah.
Speaker:Evan: They got misted instead of fog.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah which would have been much less painful worse yeah
Speaker:Kayt: it seems like i do love that like
Speaker:Kayt: you know well actually you know what this isn't true
Speaker:Kayt: but like the part where they they kind of
Speaker:Kayt: like reveal bigger and bigger and bigger
Speaker:Kayt: things you know which i always enjoy it's
Speaker:Kayt: like a very like you said jurassic park kind of thing
Speaker:Kayt: where like um you get to see
Speaker:Kayt: like the cycle of life in the mist also you know that like the bugs are just
Speaker:Kayt: food for like the bigger weirder things and then like eventually you see the
Speaker:Kayt: giant terrifying like t-rex at the end you know yeah.
Speaker:Evan: The the reveal of those is kind
Speaker:Evan: of cool with the the way the monsters are shown it's It's unfortunate.
Speaker:Evan: Actually, the ones at the end were slightly less annoying CGI-wise, maybe.
Speaker:Evan: Maybe you're just at the end, you're kind of like, oh, man, hopefully they're
Speaker:Evan: not going to get away. They're screwed.
Speaker:Evan: They may as well all just do it. I mean, the other thing, too,
Speaker:Evan: is why didn't they all just decide to exit the vehicle and then just get eaten together?
Speaker:Evan: They could have just all died as one, but instead they had to go the individualist route.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah.
Speaker:Evan: Not really, maybe.
Speaker:Kayt: They could have all been together in a dinosaur's tummy.
Speaker:Evan: Or they could have, you know, gotten...
Speaker:Evan: the spider webbed or whatever the the thing or actually probably the worst way
Speaker:Evan: to go was the the like the checkout girl oh yeah that's got like punctured and
Speaker:Evan: just like you know got like,
Speaker:Evan: over botox overload to the face.
Speaker:Brandon: You're really naming a lot of reasons why they would just kill themselves yeah
Speaker:Brandon: i'm not gonna say that's what i would do i'm gonna say that if if i am just
Speaker:Brandon: given a stark choice between like any of those deaths even being like grabbed
Speaker:Brandon: by a tentacle and just bludgeon to death or a quick shot to the head scientifically
Speaker:Brandon: a shot to the head is just done yeah it's.
Speaker:Kayt: A good point yeah because they mass suffering
Speaker:Kayt: yeah like each animal or whatever creature contains like sort of multiple horrors
Speaker:Kayt: because you know it's like oh the spider can jump on you and like pinch you
Speaker:Kayt: or do whatever but it can also like put you in a web it also has like webs made of acid,
Speaker:Kayt: you know, that like lacerate you and immediately like just like your leg gets necrotic immediately.
Speaker:Kayt: Like they have so many abilities.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah, they could just keep you alive for days and days and you would just suffer.
Speaker:Evan: So I guess I guess you're right. All right, Brandon.
Speaker:Brandon: I'm not leaning into that too hard because I'm more of the attitude of like,
Speaker:Brandon: I'm only going to kill myself if my mental health issues get to that point,
Speaker:Brandon: not because I like can't survive in a situation.
Speaker:Brandon: I'll go down fighting, but I understand that sort of gut feeling of like,
Speaker:Brandon: well, it's, it's really, it's the, it's the foundation of cosmic horror.
Speaker:Brandon: It's, it's in, in, in like unimaginable horrors.
Speaker:Brandon: Like, do you, do you take the thing that is in, you know, the outcome and it's
Speaker:Brandon: painless or do you take the outcome that is unknown and potentially horror beyond imagination?
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah.
Speaker:Brandon: Yeah.
Speaker:Kayt: And you can't reason with any
Speaker:Kayt: of those creatures. It's not like a vampire where they're even humanoid.
Speaker:Kayt: You don't know what kind of world they just came from, even, with cosmic horror.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I don't blame them.
Speaker:Evan: But it would have been tough to fight. Because initially, they just see little flying bugs and things.
Speaker:Evan: But then they see 20 foot, I don't know how tall they were, taller than the
Speaker:Evan: trees, just these giant monsters.
Speaker:Evan: And yeah, that's a low, low prospects of survival, but maybe you got some chance.
Speaker:Evan: Maybe you can eventually get to another town. Maybe you can,
Speaker:Evan: I don't know, get a boat. I assume they're in Maine.
Speaker:Evan: They are. I guess it's written by Stephen King.
Speaker:Brandon: Of course it's in Maine.
Speaker:Kayt: But shot in like Shreve's port or something.
Speaker:Brandon: Basically the same thing. Yeah, sure.
Speaker:Brandon: Okay. Million dollar question. How much different would the ending have been
Speaker:Brandon: if he shot himself first and then everyone else found out there was only one bullet?
Speaker:Kayt: It would be a dark comedy.
Speaker:Brandon: I would need like three to five extra minutes before the army got there where
Speaker:Brandon: they're just panicking.
Speaker:Evan: That, that was a, if that ending, I don't think Stephen King would have been too.
Speaker:Brandon: I don't think I would be either, but it's making a joke about it. It lands pretty good.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah. I, uh, I think that's a good one.
Speaker:Kayt: If you had to pick which one of the creatures was going to kill you,
Speaker:Kayt: which one would you pick?
Speaker:Evan: What was the one that ripped the guy in half? Because it seems like that would
Speaker:Evan: be painful, but it wouldn't take long to die.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah, that's just some sort of missed creature that I guess we never get to see, right?
Speaker:Evan: Yeah, that creature. Is that the same creature that also kills the younger guy
Speaker:Evan: in the back of the store, presumably, like a tentacled thing?
Speaker:Kayt: Maybe.
Speaker:Evan: I think as long as you don't – anything that doesn't eat you.
Speaker:Evan: Eating you would be the worst because you don't know if it eats you whole and
Speaker:Evan: then, I don't know, like the thing in the Star Wars where they just digest you
Speaker:Evan: for the next thousand years or something. You don't want that.
Speaker:Brandon: Yeah, but at some point, you suffocate or starve to death or something. Yeah.
Speaker:Kayt: I think the spider one would be the worst.
Speaker:Evan: By far. By far. I would go with just a giant creature in the mist,
Speaker:Evan: probably, if you're going with one.
Speaker:Brandon: Yeah, I feel like it's just going to squish you real fast.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah, yeah, just step on me. That's fine. We're done.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah. I think they had other creatures they wanted to use or they had drawn
Speaker:Evan: or created that they never got to.
Speaker:Evan: But the ones they use are cool, even if they looked kind of shitty.
Speaker:Evan: The things flying around and the thing, yeah, it was still cool.
Speaker:Evan: But either way. Yeah.
Speaker:Brandon: Now that we've spoiled the end, the true horror of this movie was never in the monsters.
Speaker:Evan: It's in human nature. Is that what you're going to say?
Speaker:Brandon: No, it's the fact that that dude killed his son and then it had to live. That was the horror.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah. I don't think he's going to... I don't think... Yeah, I think you're saying,
Speaker:Evan: I don't think he would... He probably would look for a gun pretty soon after.
Speaker:Evan: Isn't the very final shot him like...
Speaker:Evan: He drops to the ground and he's just screaming. He can't comprehend.
Speaker:Kayt: The horror i mean talk about yeah like horrors beyond comprehension it's like
Speaker:Kayt: killing your son thinking you're saving him and then realizing that like you
Speaker:Kayt: guys would have been fine fine i mean you know relatively probably.
Speaker:Brandon: Fine other than like you know now like sure you have to live with the knowledge
Speaker:Brandon: that there's like this other dimension full of horrors but.
Speaker:Kayt: Like just don't.
Speaker:Brandon: Open that door again.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah well.
Speaker:Evan: I mean he could he could just turn to you know online therapy.
Speaker:Kayt: Afterwards.
Speaker:Evan: To uh to get over his.
Speaker:Kayt: Trauma or.
Speaker:Evan: Sorry that's a good callback i.
Speaker:Kayt: Feel like he becomes yeah that's all yeah like in the mist too he's just like
Speaker:Kayt: uh it's all about vengeance he's just killing like various military like heads of the military yeah.
Speaker:Evan: He's like he turns into like a gorilla you know, just killing people. Not a gorilla.
Speaker:Evan: Covert assassin or something.
Speaker:Brandon: No, the mist, too. He is a drooling-on-himself, Thorazined-up mess in a white room.
Speaker:Brandon: And then the mist hits, and they have to find him, because he's the one who
Speaker:Brandon: dealt with it last time. And it just gets unhinged from there.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah, they have to pull him out.
Speaker:Evan: He's like Brad Pitt in 12 Monkeys. Well, not quite exactly.
Speaker:Kayt: Or Nancy in The Craft.
Speaker:Evan: Too. too which is oh.
Speaker:Kayt: Oh there's a craft too yeah it's not great it's like it's like the craft made
Speaker:Kayt: for i mean maybe it is good i feel like it's an okay movie just like not for
Speaker:Kayt: me because it's made for like gen z teenagers you know.
Speaker:Evan: I didn't know there was a sequel yeah.
Speaker:Kayt: David dukovny is in it.
Speaker:Evan: Oh it's recent yeah oh man I like David and I like David Duchovny come on man he's good.
Speaker:Kayt: At it he's a powerful warlock.
Speaker:Evan: Really you may have just sold me it made 2 million dollars on a budget of 18
Speaker:Evan: million well I don't know it.
Speaker:Brandon: Was an artistic success if not a financial no it wasn't.
Speaker:Evan: Oh Kylie Spiney Kylie Spaney Spiney I don't know how to pronounce the last name
Speaker:Evan: was in it i didn't realize that well.
Speaker:Brandon: I mean i.
Speaker:Evan: Assumed you.
Speaker:Brandon: Didn't know that since five minutes ago you didn't.
Speaker:Evan: Know this movie existed anything you learn about it right now.
Speaker:Brandon: Is going to be a surprise that's true.
Speaker:Evan: That's true literally everything is the david dacovny part yeah that's the best
Speaker:Evan: maybe i'll have to see this movie yeah i'm not i mean i like the craft i mean
Speaker:Evan: you're not gonna beat that i'm.
Speaker:Kayt: Not like endorsing it i don't think it's a good movie but I do think it's like
Speaker:Kayt: a woke witchcraft movie, I guess.
Speaker:Brandon: What era is that? When did this movie come out?
Speaker:Kayt: It's recent. It's very recent.
Speaker:Evan: Four years ago. Four years ago.
Speaker:Evan: 2020, we're in kind of the era of the like, well, I guess we're still in that
Speaker:Evan: era of just digging up movies from 20, 25 years ago and just being like, oh, and here's a sequel.
Speaker:Evan: Maybe we'll end with a better recommendation. So you don't maybe recommend The Craft 2,
Speaker:Evan: but given that we're getting close to Halloween season,
Speaker:Evan: which I would argue you could watch Halloween movies all year,
Speaker:Evan: but if you were to pick one,
Speaker:Evan: or you can pick more than one of a movie, maybe you would recommend to the listeners
Speaker:Evan: for this upcoming spooky season.
Speaker:Evan: So I put you on the spot there.
Speaker:Brandon: I'm definitely the guy that like, if you ask me like my favorite bands,
Speaker:Brandon: I can't even think of what type of music I listen to. I know.
Speaker:Kayt: I do the same.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah.
Speaker:Kayt: I'm like, what's a movie?
Speaker:Kayt: Um, I mean the first craft, how about that?
Speaker:Evan: Yeah, no, that's a good one, which I think some people forget about.
Speaker:Kayt: Oh, it's so excellent. And the music is so good. It's so of an era.
Speaker:Brandon: Um, I don't know. I can only think of like the things that are on my to watch
Speaker:Brandon: list. Oh, um, I was thinking about re-watching Possession this weekend.
Speaker:Kayt: Oh, yeah.
Speaker:Evan: That's a good one.
Speaker:Kayt: Always a good one.
Speaker:Brandon: You mentioned body horror earlier. I love body horror.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah. I guess also in preparation for seeing Alien Romulus, you could watch the OG and Alien too.
Speaker:Brandon: Yeah.
Speaker:Kayt: Aliens.
Speaker:Brandon: Aliens is one of the greats.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah.
Speaker:Brandon: I mean, the original.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah. that's a yeah i would i would say even though they're not nearly as good
Speaker:Evan: as the first two i also recently did an episode on the like the two prequels
Speaker:Evan: prometheus isn't my favorite but alien covenant was actually better than i remember
Speaker:Evan: it i rewatched it last week and had the same experience,
Speaker:Evan: it yeah i like i remember when i first saw it thinking it sucked and then i
Speaker:Evan: watch it again i'm like oh this actually is maybe i just expected it to be like
Speaker:Evan: as good as the first one so like if If you're going to prepare to go see Alien
Speaker:Evan: Romulus and you want to just watch all of them,
Speaker:Evan: you could just watch those and maybe skip Alien 3.
Speaker:Brandon: Yeah also halloween 3 is a great that's a great halloween movie oh.
Speaker:Evan: That i just watched it actually recently maybe i don't know two weeks ago and
Speaker:Evan: i was thinking the same thing thinking you know that is uh one of those what
Speaker:Evan: like kind of like an anthology vibe where it's you know the same kind of universe but not really.
Speaker:Brandon: Well uh originally halloween 1 and 2 were supposed
Speaker:Brandon: to be like direct sequels but everything else after that was supposed to
Speaker:Brandon: be anthology and then halloween three did so badly that they're like no no more
Speaker:Brandon: michael myers please but yeah the original intention was it was going to be
Speaker:Brandon: a different thing every uh every time and oh i didn't realize that no one liked
Speaker:Brandon: halloween three until like five years ago or something i mean it was longer ago i didn't.
Speaker:Kayt: See it yeah yeah there are so many yeah there are so many movies that were like
Speaker:Kayt: big stinkers in the 70s and 80s that i feel like people are looking at now and
Speaker:Kayt: they're like what what are you talking about? This movie was amazing.
Speaker:Kayt: Like, um, Oh, another one. It's not Halloween really, but man Hunter. I love that movie.
Speaker:Evan: I, yeah, I've, I've, I did a, a one on, um, man Hunter double feature with silence
Speaker:Evan: of the lambs. And I watched man Hunter for the first time since,
Speaker:Evan: I don't know, like 15 years ago when I've remembered not liking it.
Speaker:Evan: I'm like, Holy shit. What was I thinking?
Speaker:Evan: I've watched it. I think two or three times, you know, before that,
Speaker:Evan: I'm like, I'll watch it again tomorrow. A movie is the movie riffs. Right.
Speaker:Brandon: I've never seen it, so now I've got to get on that.
Speaker:Kayt: Oh, yeah, do it.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah, it's the first Michael Mann, first adaptation of the Hannibal Lecter.
Speaker:Brandon: I know what it is, I just, I've never seen it.
Speaker:Evan: Oh, yeah. I would highly recommend that one.
Speaker:Kayt: It's so high 80s, just amazing lighting.
Speaker:Kayt: The music is great and weird and synthy. And yeah, that's really good.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah, and what's-his-name is Tom Noonan is also just top tier in this.
Speaker:Evan: He's like the – he plays the Tooth Fairy, the bad guy.
Speaker:Kayt: Oh, yeah. He's another great that guy.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah. He's in a bunch of – well, I guess he's in a bunch of Michael Mann movies,
Speaker:Evan: but yeah. I would say, yeah.
Speaker:Evan: No one has ever gone wrong watching Manhunter. so i would um i would um second that one but.
Speaker:Brandon: One of my vans was almost a tv show manhunt no my oh it's a mindhunter i don't know mindhunter.
Speaker:Evan: Mindhunter was that one that.
Speaker:Brandon: Got canceled right that was my van almost got in that movie oh that's cool um
Speaker:Brandon: there's a small film industry here i've worked in it a little bit and i walked
Speaker:Brandon: outside to the grocery store to someone putting a note under my...
Speaker:Brandon: It's from the... My van's from the 60s. Oh.
Speaker:Brandon: And they needed like period correct stuff. And she was like,
Speaker:Brandon: we would really like... But I assumed it would pay like $20 a day or something
Speaker:Brandon: stupid. So I never followed it up.
Speaker:Brandon: And then once I got into film, they were like, no, they'll give you like a few
Speaker:Brandon: hundred dollars a day. I'm like, God damn it.
Speaker:Evan: Damn.
Speaker:Brandon: Yeah, whatever.
Speaker:Kayt: Now you know.
Speaker:Evan: You missed your...
Speaker:Brandon: So it's the rule of my cars is they can only cost me money.
Speaker:Evan: But yeah, Katie... I just said Katie. That's okay. I meant Kate. Apologies.
Speaker:Evan: But Kate and Brendan, I appreciate you coming on to talk about weather phenomenons.
Speaker:Evan: Mists and fogs.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah, it's a good time.
Speaker:Evan: I said. I promise no one will have to hear any more weather related jokes,
Speaker:Evan: except for in the opening when I record that later. And you'll be,
Speaker:Evan: bombarded with i.
Speaker:Brandon: Don't care whether i do or not.
Speaker:Evan: You forgot to wait for me to drink drink some water there
Speaker:Evan: i would have spit it out all over the
Speaker:Evan: screen unfortunately but yeah so and i guess um where can well you already told
Speaker:Evan: everyone about your podcast but uh i assume they can obviously find them on
Speaker:Evan: any podcast platform but do you have Have any other places or your own social
Speaker:Evan: media you'd want to share.
Speaker:Evan: And I'll also put them in the links as well, the notes, links.
Speaker:Brandon: Follow Cars and Comrades on any relevant social media.
Speaker:Brandon: Our account's good enough that my friends don't realize I have a podcast and
Speaker:Brandon: they're like, oh, this seems relevant to you and send me memes from our account.
Speaker:Kayt: That's cool.
Speaker:Evan: That's fair.
Speaker:Kayt: That's my dream of having your podcast. cat yes i would love to have.
Speaker:Brandon: A friend um.
Speaker:Kayt: It's yeah it's gonna happen i think someday it.
Speaker:Brandon: Took me a while you'll get there thank.
Speaker:Kayt: You but yeah like a podcast a podcast uh twitter um handle that like posts interesting
Speaker:Kayt: things besides just like marketing your podcast.
Speaker:Brandon: Is pretty amazing in real time i just
Speaker:Brandon: realized that okay every presidential cycle i tried
Speaker:Brandon: to immediately get a twitter account with a
Speaker:Brandon: name like uh vp tim walls or something okay that seems really official with
Speaker:Brandon: like this long drawn out plan uh where i'm gonna try and get a bunch of followers
Speaker:Brandon: to for people thinking it's that account and then turn it into like something
Speaker:Brandon: just real weird but i just realized i forgot to do it this time they've already
Speaker:Brandon: announced uh walls and i fucking forgot god damn it no.
Speaker:Kayt: I'm sure you could find something i.
Speaker:Brandon: Lost the the like login for it but I used to have VP Kamala Harris or something like that.
Speaker:Brandon: I had Tim Kaine. I've done this a few times.
Speaker:Brandon: never works out good bit i.
Speaker:Evan: Think i i think i think you've actually done it you're just you're you're is
Speaker:Evan: this part of the bit where you tell everyone that you didn't do it but you've
Speaker:Evan: already done it no just to hide this is the part of the bit where i'm really bad at.
Speaker:Brandon: The internet and i'll come up with a good idea and then just forget to do it
Speaker:Brandon: yeah i've never even logged into our meme account.
Speaker:Evan: Fair enough um.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah you can just find me uh on fang's podcast on all
Speaker:Kayt: of the socials and or tender subject
Speaker:Kayt: on all the socials and then i'm an
Speaker:Kayt: artist um i make
Speaker:Kayt: a lot of collages and i do a collage for every episode
Speaker:Kayt: of tender subject i'm super
Speaker:Kayt: behind because i got an actual paying art
Speaker:Kayt: job for a little while um so
Speaker:Kayt: i have to work on that but so I'm always really excited and actually I one more
Speaker:Kayt: like little thing that's exciting I'm gonna be I did a collage for Texas Chainsaw
Speaker:Kayt: Massacre and someone spotted it and they're putting it in a collection of essays,
Speaker:Kayt: about Texas Chainsaw Massacre that's gonna come out in October so yeah that's really cool yeah I.
Speaker:Evan: Like to read that book too and also see the yeah that was my episode this week oh.
Speaker:Kayt: Yeah that's right.
Speaker:Evan: Well although if you're listening right now that was an episode several months
Speaker:Evan: ago but listening in real time it was this week and it was on purpose because
Speaker:Evan: the movie takes place on august 18th so i almost released it on august 18th
Speaker:Evan: anyway and it's their big anniversary thanks you uh both oh it's.
Speaker:Kayt: Like their big anniversary 50 is that right.
Speaker:Evan: Oh 50 years yeah 1974 yeah anyone who hasn't seen the Texas Massacre you should
Speaker:Evan: also go watch that movie yeah but yeah and you can follow this podcast on all
Speaker:Evan: the podcast places the same,
Speaker:Evan: left of the projector pod and we will catch you next time.