Episode 224
Black Christmas (1975)
This week we are joined by a very special guest. Activist, organizer, horror aficionado, friend of the show, and the woman that holds up more than half the sky for one of our hosts, Joy, joins us to talk about the 1974 classic Black Christmas. Written by Roy Moore and directed by Bob Clark, this seminal horror classic starring Olivia Hussey and Margot Kidder is widely considered the earliest iteration of the slasher film and contains feminist themes that run counter to many of the films that would follow in its footsteps. We discuss the absolute failure of every man in the film, how police in Canada are apparently as incompetent as the police in the US, and how almost every slasher since Black Christmas has failed to live up to its standard of intelligent characters being failed by others as opposed to being too dumb to live.
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Speaker:Evan: Ho, ho, ho, and Merry Christmas from us here at Left to the Projector.
Speaker:Evan: This week on the show, we enter the holiday season with one of the greatest
Speaker:Evan: horror slasher films ever made, at least in this host's opinion.
Speaker:Evan: And that film is Black Christmas, released in 1974.
Speaker:Evan: It became a cult classic. It was directed by Bob Clark, who you may know from
Speaker:Evan: his later films, such as Porky's.
Speaker:Evan: The film was written to be loosely based on an urban legend of the babysitter
Speaker:Evan: in the house with the man upstairs. The film was funded by the Canadian government
Speaker:Evan: for a budget of just $680,000.
Speaker:Evan: And this week, I'm joined by Bill and Ward alongside Joy. How are you both doing?
Speaker:Evan: Or how are you all doing today?
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Super excited. Super stoked. Doing good.
Speaker:Bill: Doing well.
Speaker:Evan: The thing that I've been thinking about or I'm curious about,
Speaker:Evan: because I know in the past we've talked about maybe other slasher films,
Speaker:Evan: and I know that, Bill, you're not typically the biggest fan.
Speaker:Evan: I'm wondering, had you seen this before? And did you... What did you think?
Speaker:Bill: So i've never seen it before uh which is why when it
Speaker:Bill: said like fund film funded
Speaker:Bill: by i was like oh this isn't american i was like wait that's canadian
Speaker:Bill: what the fuck i was
Speaker:Bill: like who's paying for movies like listen this
Speaker:Bill: isn't gonna like it's not gonna go up there with like my favorite movie
Speaker:Bill: of all time but in terms of like a slasher i actually
Speaker:Bill: didn't dislike it because i never
Speaker:Bill: once felt like the characters my
Speaker:Bill: biggest issue with slasher is the characters are fucking idiots and the
Speaker:Bill: entire plot of slasher films requires the characters to be fucking morons um
Speaker:Bill: and by the characters i mean the victims and this film doesn't do that at all
Speaker:Bill: the dumb people are everyone else which makes the victims victims they are victims of the system and,
Speaker:Bill: leads to them being killed and the characters themselves are not idiots unlike
Speaker:Bill: every other slasher film i've ever fucking watched.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Such a good point like that was like one of the first things
Speaker:Bill and Joy: i noticed watching this i hadn't seen it before
Speaker:Bill and Joy: either i had seen like the remakes because i didn't know
Speaker:Bill and Joy: that there were remakes because a friend told me like oh you just check
Speaker:Bill and Joy: out black christmas and i watched obviously the wrong ones before and
Speaker:Bill and Joy: so but this one yeah no i really like that it's like yeah no you don't have
Speaker:Bill and Joy: all the victims being just dumb motherfuckers running around not knowing what
Speaker:Bill and Joy: the fuck to do it's just like no they're aware it's just everyone else is fucking
Speaker:Bill and Joy: yeah because they're fucking they're the fucking idiots instead i do love a slasher i,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: loved this slasher i'm so glad i finally watched it i
Speaker:Bill and Joy: was actually telling uh warden bill like i wish i would have watched this one
Speaker:Bill and Joy: first to truly enjoy the 2019 remake um for reasons we'll get into but fun fact
Speaker:Bill and Joy: apparently the i forget the director for halloween but he was inspired by black christmas so.
Speaker:Evan: It's funny you say that because one of the things i was going to mention is that.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: No it's.
Speaker:Evan: Exactly that is that well it's john carpenter number one is the halloween director but.
Speaker:Bill: Apparently i can't believe joy was just like i forget who the this fucking director
Speaker:Bill: of halloween and i could just imagine evan over there like,
Speaker:Bill: Like, I could just imagine his face just dropping. I know, in my defense.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: You don't understand. It took me so, it takes me so long to remember names.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I'm horrible with names.
Speaker:Evan: That's okay. I butcher people's names. I also forget actors' names a lot.
Speaker:Evan: But it's interesting you mention that because in the, like, the lore of that,
Speaker:Evan: inspiration of that is that Bob Clark had a meeting with John Carpenter,
Speaker:Evan: like, a friendly meeting, where John Carpenter's like, hey, like,
Speaker:Evan: if you ever made a sequel to Black Christmas, like, what would you do?
Speaker:Evan: And Bob Clark's like, I would never make a sequel to this movie.
Speaker:Evan: But if I did, it would be where the man was caught years later,
Speaker:Evan: and then he escapes from prison and goes on a killing rampage against the women
Speaker:Evan: who had been part of the original.
Speaker:Evan: And then he said, I would call it Halloween. And then John Carpenter's like,
Speaker:Evan: oh, interesting. And then five years later, he releases Halloween.
Speaker:Bill: I think I'll do that.
Speaker:Evan: He's not mad about it.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I think I'll take some notes.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I assume that he wouldn't be. I mean, in that, that's just a conversation.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I'm sure that if John Carpenter would have had something to say about it,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: he would have been like, or not John Carpenter, but the original director would
Speaker:Bill and Joy: have had something to say about it.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Like he'd have been like, oh, yeah, dude, no, you could definitely like as far
Speaker:Bill and Joy: as like creating the actual like idea for them.
Speaker:Evan: He's just mad he didn't get credit for the title. He's like,
Speaker:Evan: he changed the story, but he used my title.
Speaker:Evan: I'm like, he's like joking, like, you shouldn't use my title or whatever.
Speaker:Evan: I don't know exactly the words he used. But, you know, this movie,
Speaker:Evan: I mean, that's the thing about this, too, as like, this is I'm going to say
Speaker:Evan: something that Bill is going to be surprised about.
Speaker:Evan: This is actually my favorite slasher movie more than Halloween.
Speaker:Evan: I think it's actually a better movie than Halloween.
Speaker:Bill: I am surprised by that.
Speaker:Evan: For people out there. I've never seen Halloween.
Speaker:Bill: So I can't weigh in on that.
Speaker:Evan: And i and i think it's because this movie
Speaker:Evan: does all the things that halloween and
Speaker:Evan: like future slashers do both right and
Speaker:Evan: wrong where like women and the people in the movie are all
Speaker:Evan: like doofuses and idiots and mess around whereas
Speaker:Evan: this is like the complete opposite as you both already as you've all already
Speaker:Evan: said and then also it like reverses the trope where the common trope in slashers
Speaker:Evan: is like the the virgin is the final girl because she's pure whereas in this
Speaker:Evan: it's the opposite The very first person who's killed is like the pure virgin.
Speaker:Evan: And so I think that this movie is so interesting because it doesn't adhere to
Speaker:Evan: the common tropes that people think of with slasher movies.
Speaker:Bill: It didn't feel like a slasher film to me at all.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: No, it doesn't feel like it. It felt like a murder mystery.
Speaker:Bill: Yes, exactly.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Murder mystery, thriller kind of thing. Like that's more along the line.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: It was a horror thriller. I mean, the dude's in the fucking house the whole fucking time. Fair.
Speaker:Bill: That's cinematography. That's cinematography of him going in.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: And the cinematography.
Speaker:Bill: Brilliant.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Oh, yeah. It's like maybe you didn't feel a suspense, but I'm fucking the whole time.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I'm like, he's still a fucking thriller. It leaves you in suspense.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I will give you that. I will give you that.
Speaker:Evan: That's what all of the actors who have done interviews about this movie have
Speaker:Evan: said is that they think that these movies like this are better because all of
Speaker:Evan: the horror is actually in your waiting for something to happen and not about gore.
Speaker:Evan: Like, there's only one scene, I think, in the entire movie where there's even a speck of blood.
Speaker:Bill: Yeah, there's no gore.
Speaker:Evan: No.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I think the goriest thing in the movie is probably when the cop got his throat slit.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah, but you don't see it.
Speaker:Bill: You don't see it.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Well, you don't see it happen, but you see his body in the cop car.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Yeah, that's true. But I did appreciate, and I'm glad you mentioned that,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: because I did appreciate whenever the character Barb dies and he uses one of
Speaker:Bill and Joy: her little knickknacks.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: There's not blood going, it's not over the top nasty, you know?
Speaker:Bill: It's so 70s. The crystal tchotchkes and those little swans filled with sand, it's so 70s.
Speaker:Evan: Well, and like, I mean, we've already sort of talked about like the general
Speaker:Evan: plot of this movie is takes place around Christmas.
Speaker:Evan: Obviously, the black Christmas might have given that part away.
Speaker:Evan: It's, like, at a sorority house at a college in Canada, obviously,
Speaker:Evan: as we mentioned, is Canada.
Speaker:Evan: And the house, like, all the women who live there are being sort of terrorized
Speaker:Evan: by a person who they call, like, the moaner who calls and has,
Speaker:Evan: like, just says dirty things to them on the phone.
Speaker:Evan: And maybe in the very opening scenes, you see someone entering the house.
Speaker:Evan: And, like, one of the most terrifying, I think, like, point of view shots for,
Speaker:Evan: like, a horror movie, he's, like, breathing.
Speaker:Evan: You see just his hands very briefly. And, like, that's it.
Speaker:Evan: Like, you never see his full face. You are just sort of there and that and one
Speaker:Evan: by one people in the house are either killed or disappear or you know you don't
Speaker:Evan: know what happens then for a little while and it yeah I don't know.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Is that like a whole like demographic of like creepiness that like has gone
Speaker:Bill and Joy: away now since like almost everybody has like the silence unknown callers thing on their phones?
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Is like just calling and like moaning or breathing into like the phone?
Speaker:Bill: Oh my God, so true. Yeah, that's like, that's a cultural context.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Has that gone away?
Speaker:Bill: Yeah, that's got, I would assume, like, I mean, other than like workplaces,
Speaker:Bill: but like on personal lines, like, yeah.
Speaker:Bill: Yeah, personal lines, yeah. That's got to be like a cultural context that like
Speaker:Bill: if young people who, you know, didn't grow up at landlines at all,
Speaker:Bill: like they must have like no context for that. Like we all at least grew up with landlines.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Yeah.
Speaker:Evan: That's true.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Shout out to the guys that had to figure out a new way to be creepy.
Speaker:Bill: And just the whole, and the whole concept of that, the whole concept of he's
Speaker:Bill: calling from inside the house.
Speaker:Bill: It's like, that's no one that would like, that has a whole different context
Speaker:Bill: in the case of like, you know, cell phones. Because it's like,
Speaker:Bill: well, he could be calling from anywhere. He's on a cell phone.
Speaker:Bill: You know, it's like this, it's a whole different thing.
Speaker:Evan: That's the origin of that line. Like, he's calling from inside the house is this movie.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Such a good line, too. I didn't know that. That's really cool.
Speaker:Evan: Which I think has been, like, parodied and probably used in other,
Speaker:Evan: like, commercials. And I don't know what else they've used it.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: People, I heard somebody use it in, like, just a normal conversation the other day.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah, it is kind of like a meme almost, right? Like, saying,
Speaker:Evan: oh, the call is from coming inside the house.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Yeah.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah so i always i think i often joke
Speaker:Evan: in like other horror movies that we've done or that
Speaker:Evan: i've done in the past is you know like does the movie pass the
Speaker:Evan: bechdel test and for anyone who doesn't know that's when two women
Speaker:Evan: talk to each other not about a man for more
Speaker:Evan: than i think was it two minutes or i i don't remember the exact
Speaker:Evan: time but in this movie you do it's mostly
Speaker:Evan: women there are obviously men and there's a cop multiple cops a couple boyfriends
Speaker:Evan: a father but like generally speaking there's like actual conversation that happens
Speaker:Evan: amongst women where it isn't necessarily like about a man and i it like it almost
Speaker:Evan: is kind of only the canadian government would fund a movie like this in 1974,
Speaker:Evan: it
Speaker:Bill: Truly is wow this is a government funded movie.
Speaker:Evan: Well but so it's the canadian film development
Speaker:Evan: corporation so it is technically a corporation but it
Speaker:Evan: was still a canadian crown corporation which i guess means that it's technically
Speaker:Evan: owned by the government you can look it up like they funded a lot of movies
Speaker:Evan: and they actually considered this movie to be what they were trying to do apparently
Speaker:Evan: was make movies that were sort
Speaker:Evan: of based on american movies and like making the Canadian version of it.
Speaker:Evan: It's like this was sort of like the Canadian version of, I guess there really
Speaker:Evan: wasn't any American movies yet that sort of hit this.
Speaker:Evan: Like the slashers at the time was more Italian or like you go back to like Psycho,
Speaker:Evan: which was, you know, Hitchcock 20 years before, not even 20 years.
Speaker:Evan: What year did Psycho come out? Like 1967?
Speaker:Evan: Whoever the, to our...
Speaker:Evan: listeners we're gonna 1960 oh 1960 okay so
Speaker:Evan: i'm like way off by seven years so 15 years before
Speaker:Evan: this like that's i would consider kind of like a slasher psychological thriller
Speaker:Evan: i don't know like what do you think about the characters in it
Speaker:Evan: as like women you know they they all seem to have sort of like different you
Speaker:Evan: know uh personalities they're not all just sort of like goofy teens who want
Speaker:Evan: to get drunk you know they have barb who's sort of like the crass one who's
Speaker:Evan: drunk and then you sort of have the ones that are sort of see.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: That's why i wish i would have watched i'm.
Speaker:Evan: Sorry that's.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Why i would have watched this one before the next one because it puts
Speaker:Bill and Joy: the remake in so much better context to understand
Speaker:Bill and Joy: why they did the remake in the first place because while i'm sure that they
Speaker:Bill and Joy: weren't trying to make it inherently like political it's the 70s everything's
Speaker:Bill and Joy: a little bit political at the time but like i don't think that was the goal
Speaker:Bill and Joy: of the movie but it happened that way anyway especially as the movie aged because
Speaker:Bill and Joy: i mean you brought up barb is actually one of my favorite characters.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: And I think it's really interesting how everybody kind of shits on her a little
Speaker:Bill and Joy: bit. But at the same time, I mean, she's a young woman in college,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: right? She's outspoken.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: If she had been a guy at the Fred house, she probably would have been the most
Speaker:Bill and Joy: popular person there, right?
Speaker:Bill and Joy: And another person who I thought was really interesting was actually Mrs.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Mack, right? She plays a really, I find Mrs.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Mack to be a pretty key character in that, like, she, you even get a little bit of her background,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: like, talking about how she was in vaudeville and you see like the whole like
Speaker:Bill and Joy: poster with her and her sister and she has a drinking problem she's so interesting
Speaker:Bill and Joy: to me and like you want to kind of know how did you become like a house mother
Speaker:Bill and Joy: and then it's like it makes sense that she works so well with the girls because,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: she's almost jealous of them right i think that it really focuses the movie
Speaker:Bill and Joy: focuses on key parts that women were experiencing at the time you had shit at
Speaker:Bill and Joy: i'm sorry i'm sorry if i'm gonna i'm just gonna i'm just gonna do it shit ass
Speaker:Bill and Joy: uh patrick right saying you're not getting rid of this baby you didn't ask me
Speaker:Bill and Joy: okay we're actually getting married because i'm quitting music because i can't play the piano yeah.
Speaker:Bill: He doesn't he doesn't say he doesn't say like i want to get he's you're marrying me.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Excuse me what the
Speaker:Bill and Joy: fuck there's literally two somewhat okay
Speaker:Bill and Joy: because they either like minimalize them or like
Speaker:Bill and Joy: infantilize them in the movie as you're watching it especially the
Speaker:Bill and Joy: character of jess right and you can make that argument for claire as
Speaker:Bill and Joy: well uh the first victim she yeah you
Speaker:Bill and Joy: know she's like the whole like virginal one as was said before
Speaker:Bill and Joy: um but that's just that's just razzing on
Speaker:Bill and Joy: your girl right like is it nice no should they have no but at the same time
Speaker:Bill and Joy: uh that was other women doing that to her as well which speaks to the time as
Speaker:Bill and Joy: well right and it was the more masculine uh woman in the group doing it and
Speaker:Bill and Joy: then you had like officer nash officer nash was absolutely useless it doesn't
Speaker:Bill and Joy: do anything right how is he still in the police force in here that's.
Speaker:Evan: Why isn't that.
Speaker:Bill: Because that's what police do.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: And then what really made me think okay
Speaker:Bill and Joy: maybe they were trying to say something about like that the
Speaker:Bill and Joy: women's liberation movement of the time where like the phil and
Speaker:Bill and Joy: jess they both freak out when just these two
Speaker:Bill and Joy: random dudes are in their windows and they're waving and doing
Speaker:Bill and Joy: all this stuff hey ladies you know you gotta be careful you gotta do this you
Speaker:Bill and Joy: gotta do that and they're like actively trying to tell them okay cool we're
Speaker:Bill and Joy: gonna close the door and they just keep talking keep talking keep talking and
Speaker:Bill and Joy: the joke at the time i guess could be like oh just you know two old like two
Speaker:Bill and Joy: older men checking in on these young women you know they want to be seen as
Speaker:Bill and Joy: the heroes they want to feel good whatever but if I was them I'd been like no,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: get uh i'm calling the cops get out of my window 100 why are you here why are
Speaker:Bill and Joy: you here right um so shout out to anybody who's listening to this watch the
Speaker:Bill and Joy: second one after the first one if you haven't seen it yet.
Speaker:Evan: Well for one i also really like the den mother mrs mac as well like her character
Speaker:Evan: she's like hiding booze and books in the toilet so also it's kind of gross to
Speaker:Evan: drink out of the bottle after it was inside of the toilet tank just for just
Speaker:Evan: just to throw that out there that's.
Speaker:Bill: Clean water evan that's.
Speaker:Evan: I i know that but it's still kind of gross it's just
Speaker:Evan: a principle of doing that like the pipes are dirty okay i
Speaker:Evan: don't care if the water is clean but like the like her i love the scene where
Speaker:Evan: the father of claire comes to the house and the mrs mac is like holding her
Speaker:Evan: hand over this photo of you know like like people having sex on the wall and
Speaker:Evan: i just i I think the aspect of it being raunchy, too,
Speaker:Evan: is almost to show, in some ways, is like, yes,
Speaker:Evan: women also can be like this.
Speaker:Evan: They also can have, you know, desires and things like these,
Speaker:Evan: where typically it's only the men that can have those in these,
Speaker:Evan: like, slasher horror genre.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: And I think it's also really cool that, like, throughout the movie,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: you see the woman trying to break out of this, like, whole role, right?
Speaker:Bill and Joy: especially like they joined the search party right when they're looking for
Speaker:Bill and Joy: the 13 year old and for claire they they party they have drunk i wasn't crazy
Speaker:Bill and Joy: about barb feeding the kid alcohol that wasn't cool yeah that's not cool at all did.
Speaker:Bill: She just give that kid booze.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: A lot of booze,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: a lot of booze acknowledges it i think it's
Speaker:Bill and Joy: more and then uh the
Speaker:Bill and Joy: dad claire's dad who shows up he's just chill about it he's more disappointed
Speaker:Bill and Joy: like he never you never really see him start to get worried until well into
Speaker:Bill and Joy: the movie or yeah they like get worried to well into the movie he's more just
Speaker:Bill and Joy: disappointed in his daughter like what what am i paying for this college education
Speaker:Bill and Joy: for you know he's like non nonchalant yeah.
Speaker:Bill: He's like nonchalantness kind of blew me away i'm like dude your daughter is missing like why.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I'd be going scorched earth in the only seriously in the and like the first
Speaker:Bill and Joy: one of the first comments like that he like ever ever makes it's like,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: nonchalant is just talking about her dorm room where he's like i'll make
Speaker:Bill and Joy: i'll remedy this i'll see to it and it's
Speaker:Bill and Joy: like it's not like a uh oh he's gonna go complain to
Speaker:Bill and Joy: the college way it's like he thinks he's gonna be able to talk to
Speaker:Bill and Joy: his daughter to set her straight away and it's like dog you got bigger things to
Speaker:Bill and Joy: worry about right now your very reliable daughter didn't tell
Speaker:Bill and Joy: you that she was gonna be late never showed up you
Speaker:Bill and Joy: had to go to her house she's not at her house on
Speaker:Bill and Joy: the day she's supposed to leave from everything you know about claire as a character
Speaker:Bill and Joy: leading up to this from what you hear from the other girls talking about her
Speaker:Bill and Joy: is that's not her immediately i if i was her daddy i'd have been like uh-oh
Speaker:Bill and Joy: we're the cops we're we're searching this house up like top to bottom i'd have
Speaker:Bill and Joy: found her i'd have found i'd have found claire in like the first five minutes
Speaker:Bill and Joy: of being in that house even.
Speaker:Evan: When they sorry dad no i'm just gonna even when they go to the cops to report
Speaker:Evan: her missing and the father is there he doesn't even really say anything he just kind of just.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Sits there sort.
Speaker:Evan: Of like I'm this ominous presence over the college kids you know to give them
Speaker:Evan: some kind of credibility.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: It takes the hometown boy being recognized throwing a fit for them to do anything about it yeah.
Speaker:Bill: He is the only decent male character in the entire movie.
Speaker:Evan: Are you saying that the that,
Speaker:Evan: The chief, you know, played by John Saxon, isn't good because.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: No, he's a cop.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah, I get that. I understand.
Speaker:Bill: And he.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: This is left of the projector. We think we're going to be fans of cops.
Speaker:Evan: ACAB includes him, obviously.
Speaker:Bill: Not only that, but like at the end, it's the spoiler alert.
Speaker:Bill: They never. First of all, spoiler alert. They never find Claire. Okay.
Speaker:Bill: Which blew my mind. He's in the
Speaker:Bill: window. The fact that they never find her body, fucking, I was shocked.
Speaker:Bill: I was like, they just, that's, we're just going to, like, we're ending there.
Speaker:Bill: Like, we still don't know that.
Speaker:Evan: Anyway. They don't find the dead mother either.
Speaker:Bill: No, they do not, because she's with Claire. Okay, but that cop,
Speaker:Bill: literally just in classic cop sense at the end of it, and this is why I don't
Speaker:Bill: include him as a competent male figure in the movie,
Speaker:Bill: because I always knew it was him the boyfriend and the just he he goes with
Speaker:Bill: what he thought and they fucked off and.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Left her there alone with somebody just standing at the front.
Speaker:Bill: Yeah take her ass to the hospital immediately where's the ambulance fucking
Speaker:Bill: wild i mean i don't know is that what happened in 1974 when people like apparently
Speaker:Bill: in canada they took the father away but.
Speaker:Evan: They take the father away because he has a panic attack and they're like get him to the hospital.
Speaker:Bill: Yeah and it stands.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: By the misogyny that the movie is trying to project.
Speaker:Bill: Yeah. I'm like, is this what it was like in 1974?
Speaker:Bill: Did people get murdered in houses and then the other people in the house are
Speaker:Bill: just like, eh, fuck you. Like, what the fuck?
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Well, hold on.
Speaker:Evan: I do want to say.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: One thing they have going for them is Mrs. Mack wasn't supposed to be at the
Speaker:Bill and Joy: house anyway. They didn't think to even look for her.
Speaker:Evan: Right. They just assumed she'd left.
Speaker:Bill: Okay.
Speaker:Bill: That's real...
Speaker:Evan: Low bar another thing that's like the that
Speaker:Evan: a trope that i think is the obvious one that's kind
Speaker:Evan: of you see in like you see this in halloween you
Speaker:Evan: see it in uh in like freddie
Speaker:Evan: uh the the nightmare on elm street series is
Speaker:Evan: both women are not believed and just like peep you know those kids are not believed
Speaker:Evan: for anything is that they're they're trying to get someone to take seriously
Speaker:Evan: that people are calling their sorority house and messing with them and they
Speaker:Evan: don't care like that guy nash he's like oh okay well uh what can we what can
Speaker:Evan: i do i'm just the man of the law,
Speaker:Evan: you know and just the idea
Speaker:Evan: that women are not believed is push well
Speaker:Evan: but they also show that they have agency because
Speaker:Evan: you have you know we later see that jess like sort of the main the final girl
Speaker:Evan: i guess you could call her is the one who says she's not she's gonna have an
Speaker:Evan: abortion because she can control her own body so the women like have autonomy
Speaker:Evan: in this but they also sort of don't kind of this i.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Think it shows the fight for autonomy at the time yeah you
Speaker:Bill and Joy: know yeah that's exactly what i was feeling especially like because
Speaker:Bill and Joy: you hear her and she's giving the reasons as to why she doesn't want to give
Speaker:Bill and Joy: birth right she's young she has all these things she wants to do she has no
Speaker:Bill and Joy: interest in having a kid right now right maybe if patrick would have been such
Speaker:Bill and Joy: a shithead you know which honestly i didn't like that and you hear it from the
Speaker:Bill and Joy: other characters as well like nobody likes patrick well.
Speaker:Bill: He is a 30 year old man dating a i'm sorry i think it's 37 year old man dating like a 20 year old.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Who's been at a conservatory for eight years and is still getting nervous about
Speaker:Bill and Joy: recitals dude let it alone.
Speaker:Evan: He just sucks at piano like dude can't play and.
Speaker:Bill: Then he has a temper tantrum and destroys it when she goes he's never been violent
Speaker:Bill: like this before, I was like,
Speaker:Bill: I don't believe that. I don't believe that.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Which is why I was really upset because even saying in the movie,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: like, let's do a background on Patrick.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: It's like, I want to hear Patrick's background. What's up? I bet you I can get some of it right.
Speaker:Evan: I feel like the cop sees that he destroyed the piano. He's like,
Speaker:Evan: I knew he did it. That's him.
Speaker:Evan: Like, he goes in there and he gets the call to go back. And briefly,
Speaker:Evan: he sees the piano destroyed also.
Speaker:Evan: So I think he just wants to leave and get married so he doesn't have to pay for the piano.
Speaker:Bill: Is that how that works?
Speaker:Evan: Yes.
Speaker:Bill: When you get married, they let you destroy a piano?
Speaker:Evan: No, no, no.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: He just, in Canada. Well, no, because he has to help pay for it.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Yeah. Because man is yours, baby.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Yeah, you've seen him smash plates at Greek weddings, right?
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Or something like that. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker:Bill: In Canada, they smash pianos.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: It's pianos. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker:Bill: He also breaks some of their Christmas tree ornaments.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: That's also part of the wedding ceremony in Canada.
Speaker:Bill: Like, he's clearly like.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: That's another thing you're allowed to break.
Speaker:Bill: That man is not okay. He needs anger management.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I know off the top of my head, at least five people that I've met in my life
Speaker:Bill and Joy: and had conversations that pertain to like abortion.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Like, hey, you know, it's always the like the theoretical because none of them,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: none of them even had girlfriends at the time.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: So it's like, well, what would you do? And they're like, you know,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I'm, I'm, I'm me. So I'm gonna get into it with you.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: They're like, oh, no, never. I would never let my girl. It's like,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: why? Why wouldn't you? First of all, it's her. She has to do all the work.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: What if? Okay, so let me ask you this.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: What if she says, all right, I'll surrogate for you. I don't want anything.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I'm a sign of my parental rights. all these things.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: What will you say? And they're always like, well, no, no, she,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: she, a baby needs the mom.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Like, all right, two years in, she agrees to take care of the baby for two years.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: And then she's out. What would you say?
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Well, no, it's like, yeah, no, because you don't want the kid.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: You want her and you're going to use the kid to keep her. Dude, don't even.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: But I can almost assure you that that scene in that movie probably did start
Speaker:Bill and Joy: a lot of conversation around abortion and like why women have them in the first
Speaker:Bill and Joy: place and also like what they have to deal with, whatever they tell their partner.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Right. Because that's I mean, personal opinion, that is right.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: You talk to your partner about it, let them know what you want and then go go
Speaker:Bill and Joy: about it from there. Right.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Unless you unless maybe maybe he had never acted like that.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: He just broke his brain, the whole being bad at piano, finally coming to coming
Speaker:Bill and Joy: to a head and it broke his brain. and he decided to take it out on her, right?
Speaker:Bill and Joy: But like, maybe he would have, like, if there was somebody that reacts like
Speaker:Bill and Joy: that, I wouldn't have said nothing. And she even mentions that,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I thought about not telling you.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I'm trying to be a good person and letting you know what's going on.
Speaker:Evan: I mean, I think even having that conversation with a man at that time is probably...
Speaker:Bill: At that time.
Speaker:Evan: I was gonna say, like, normally, they probably would just do it on their own,
Speaker:Evan: would tell their friend, you know, their friend take them to the clinic and
Speaker:Evan: they would just do it and never tell them.
Speaker:Evan: And this actually confronting the boyfriend about it.
Speaker:Evan: I mean, I understand that, I don't know how political Bob Clark was trying to
Speaker:Evan: go with it, you know, if it was intentional or just he didn't write the movie.
Speaker:Evan: So he just kind of changed some of the elements. But just having just being
Speaker:Evan: able to bring it up to a man in 1974, I think, is political,
Speaker:Evan: whether he meant it or not.
Speaker:Bill: Well, he does say specifically that like he wanted the characters to not be stupid.
Speaker:Evan: Yes.
Speaker:Bill: In the way American films were like that. He wanted them to be treated like actual human adults.
Speaker:Evan: Yes. Because the original script had them be more goofy like American films.
Speaker:Evan: And he's like, no, we have to change that. Like that was the big thing he changed. So.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Good call. Good call.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Honestly, 70s were a really bad time for American filmmakers, although Porky's.
Speaker:Bill: Yeah. That's what blows my mind. This man went on to make Porky's? What the fuck?
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Okay, do not shit on Porky's.
Speaker:Bill: Okay, I've never seen Porky's. All I know about Porky's is it's a raunchy sex comedy.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: It is the great-great-grandfather of all the National Lampoon,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: American Pies, all that.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: It's freaking hilarious.
Speaker:Bill: But, like, it doesn't seem like the philosophical, like,
Speaker:Bill: descendant, like following act of this.
Speaker:Evan: I disagree though, actually.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: This is left of the projector pod. We can always find nuance.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: We can always put a leftist analysis and critique on it.
Speaker:Evan: I've never seen Porky's. Without giving away Porky's, I mean,
Speaker:Evan: maybe that's, we can get Bill to watch and we can discuss it.
Speaker:Evan: But I think that Black Christmas is actually, I think that Black Christmas actually is a raunchy film.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: How so?
Speaker:Evan: I mean, you see, you see inside of women's
Speaker:Evan: sorority house which typically in movies when you do it's
Speaker:Evan: more like it's like very prim and proper and they're like you know
Speaker:Evan: wealthy and they're you know they do things
Speaker:Evan: all fancy you can see that in like uh like revenge
Speaker:Evan: of the nerds and other films like it it's like very prim and
Speaker:Evan: proper in this you see like barb and you see
Speaker:Evan: the inside of a sorority house as they actually are
Speaker:Evan: as like human beings in a college setting also wanting to let loose you have
Speaker:Evan: all of those images and the posters on the wall and i think that raunchiness
Speaker:Evan: bled over into making a movie like porky's like taking it much further into
Speaker:Evan: like straight comedy whereas this is like a horror version of like a raunchy comedy.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I'm i'm rocking with you hold on because i
Speaker:Bill and Joy: see let me let me say it and then i want to hear what you got to
Speaker:Bill and Joy: say i think that speaks more to the maturity that you
Speaker:Bill and Joy: mentioned earlier of the characters right because when
Speaker:Bill and Joy: you talk about like revenge and the nerds and all that that is like
Speaker:Bill and Joy: the male fantasy of what a sorority house would
Speaker:Bill and Joy: be not the reality i feel as if
Speaker:Bill and Joy: he brought this i feel as
Speaker:Bill and Joy: if he brought like this reality to it to the
Speaker:Bill and Joy: sorority house which i appreciated because yeah why wouldn't you have two naked
Speaker:Bill and Joy: people making a peace sign i want that poster in my house as soon as my kid
Speaker:Bill and Joy: as soon as my kid hits like 18 is out the door like i'm getting that in my house
Speaker:Bill and Joy: sorry go ahead work i mean i completely agree with what you're saying.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I just wanted to use that and then tailspin it into,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: The fact that Evan's just such a boomer that he thinks real characters are raunchy. Word.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Word. Is that an ankle I see?
Speaker:Evan: Well, it's funny because I haven't seen Porky's in a long time, to be fair.
Speaker:Evan: But it's also the 80s. I feel like it's a—I mean, I know it was 1981 when it
Speaker:Evan: came out, but era-wise, I think it's sort of like a change.
Speaker:Evan: This is seven years earlier in the early 70s. Like you could do,
Speaker:Evan: you know, different things. Yeah.
Speaker:Evan: I don't know. I don't know what I'm trying to say with that.
Speaker:Bill: It is definitely a different time.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Although, on this same track, but we're going to backtrack a little bit.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Whenever we were talking about Psycho, Psycho was inherently sexual.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: This movie was not, which I really appreciated.
Speaker:Evan: That's true.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: You don't know what the killer's motivations are this entire time.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: You just know that he has something. Like, yeah, oh, he's a creep.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: He's definitely a creep. The moaner, as they call him.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: But then it changes and it escalates. And something happened to push the killer over the edge.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: you that's part of the suspense and part of like the on edge of your seat at
Speaker:Bill and Joy: the end of the movie sorry spoilers is that you never find out who's billy who's
Speaker:Bill and Joy: agnes what did agnes do to billy if you knew agnes was bad why'd you leave.
Speaker:Evan: Billy there's lots of theories there's theories on like the whole
Speaker:Evan: yeah like what i mean one theory also
Speaker:Evan: is that he originally was just calling the house you know from somewhere wherever
Speaker:Evan: he lives you know and then this is like the escalation i I think his motivation
Speaker:Evan: is like emasculation or some sort of traumatic event where maybe he hurt his
Speaker:Evan: sister or he saw something messed up.
Speaker:Evan: Because the way that they have him sort of looking through the attic door and
Speaker:Evan: the one time you see his eye, which is super creepy, and his face,
Speaker:Evan: like when he's in the attic and he throws the, what is it, like the hook?
Speaker:Evan: I don't know what that thing is called. You know, like at the den mother.
Speaker:Bill: It's like a pulley.
Speaker:Evan: A pulley or whatever. Yeah. Which I don't know why they had that up there to begin with.
Speaker:Bill: It's so weird.
Speaker:Evan: It also seems clear to me that he maybe lived in that house as a child is another
Speaker:Evan: theory. You know, I don't know.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: See, my theory for this one is that maybe there's an emasculation,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: something going on in his life, as you said before.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: But I wonder, is Billy like a young family member who passed?
Speaker:Bill and Joy: And is that why, like after hearing the conversation that Jess has with Patrick about the abortion,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: right, that you wonder, and maybe he knew about it before, and that also led
Speaker:Bill and Joy: to like some of the escalation, because you don't know that's his first time in the house.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: He got up there real easy.
Speaker:Evan: That's true.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: But, but, so I'm wondering if that's, and that's why he concentrated on Jess
Speaker:Bill and Joy: so hard and waited to kill her for last, is because she was the one and her
Speaker:Bill and Joy: situation pushed him over that edge.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: And why he couldn't help but keep repeating and bringing up, like, Agnes, right?
Speaker:Evan: Yeah. I guess that makes, it does make sense that he would have been in the
Speaker:Evan: house before, like, spying on them and knew things about them.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: He moves around real comfortable.
Speaker:Bill: Yeah, he does.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Like he knows where he's going he knows exactly where he's going there's no
Speaker:Bill and Joy: like fumbling about i love the great it's also like good filmmaking but still oh.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah that like the using like i guess they tied i don't didn't look into i assume
Speaker:Evan: they just tied the handheld to his head like to a helmet or some kind and he
Speaker:Evan: walked you know they show him only a few times where he's actually using his
Speaker:Evan: hands to climb and it's super creepy.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Yeah i like those shots it really like pulls you out of like the nice cinematic
Speaker:Bill and Joy: shots that you get before and after like the rest of the film And like when
Speaker:Bill and Joy: it pulls you into those like janky first person camera moments,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: it's like, oh, fuck, it's so unsettling.
Speaker:Evan: Some of like the best, I mean, again, the cinematography in this is really good.
Speaker:Evan: One of the most unsettling scenes that for me,
Speaker:Evan: other than like not, not including the killing scenes, like there's a scene
Speaker:Evan: where they're on the phone with him and all of like the phone rings and you
Speaker:Evan: sort of see all of the different sorority house members sort of enter the room
Speaker:Evan: all from different locations.
Speaker:Evan: And then he zooms in to each of the individual faces, like slowly scanning all
Speaker:Evan: of them as they're sort of like horrified by this.
Speaker:Evan: And I think it, maybe we already said this before, it's the...
Speaker:Evan: treatment that women experience in movies like
Speaker:Evan: revenge of the nerds as a
Speaker:Evan: good thing which that movie is deeply problematic and terrible it's not good
Speaker:Evan: no it's really really really bad or animal house like you know that movie has
Speaker:Evan: not aged well oh god really really bad and then this you sort of see the opposite
Speaker:Evan: of like actually the impact that these things have on it.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Human it humanizes them. In a time where, I mean, this is a little bit off topic,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: but on like, especially the portrayal of women in cinema, Ward and I were talking
Speaker:Bill and Joy: about how women in the US cinema were portrayed, especially black women and
Speaker:Bill and Joy: the hyper-sexualization of them.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I attributed it at the time to basically kind of like,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: almost like a psyop, like, you know, like just tearing down the women's liberation
Speaker:Bill and Joy: movement, especially in that hyper-sexualization of specifically like black
Speaker:Bill and Joy: and brown women because they were so like at the forefront of that movement.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: And it just kind of like took away some of that power.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: So it was really cool to watch a movie from that time that gave some of that
Speaker:Bill and Joy: power and some of that autonomy back to them.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah, it does do that.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I know what y'all think of that, but.
Speaker:Evan: What was I just going to say about that?
Speaker:Bill: I mean, that makes sense. I mean.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I might be fishing here too.
Speaker:Bill: The treatment of the female characters is. What's the curly girls?
Speaker:Bill: What's her curly haired girl?
Speaker:Bill and Joy: That's Phil.
Speaker:Evan: Phyllis.
Speaker:Bill: Phil.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah.
Speaker:Bill: Her character is treated so. She's clearly like a college student.
Speaker:Bill: Despite the fact they're all like fucking 30. um but like
Speaker:Bill: it goes back to like where he's like these are like real
Speaker:Bill: people who deserve respect and
Speaker:Bill: are thinking things are like that woman is a
Speaker:Bill: reasonable person throughout the entire thing just like cares about things maternal
Speaker:Bill: figure yeah she's totally she is the most responsible character but she's also
Speaker:Bill: not an outlier she doesn't make the other ones look stupid or silly despite
Speaker:Bill: standing apart in so many ways it's.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: A healthy female friendship.
Speaker:Bill: Yeah yeah.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Which is something that you didn't see a lot and you honestly don't see very often now in movies.
Speaker:Bill: Right there.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Even with even like the movie can pass the bechdel test but you always got that
Speaker:Bill and Joy: one person who's uh basically like in the movie coined like the one that's slightly above right
Speaker:Bill and Joy: And they managed to not do that with the character of Phil, which,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: by the way, they bring up that Phil has a boyfriend out of nowhere.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: And it makes you wonder, like, oh, hey, is that a clue?
Speaker:Bill: It's the guy. It's the Santa Claus guy.
Speaker:Evan: No.
Speaker:Bill: That's not.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Santa Claus guy is somebody else. Santa Claus guy was supposed to meet up with.
Speaker:Bill: No, he's in the very beginning. He comes back as Santa Claus later on.
Speaker:Bill: He's the very beginning. He's the guy with the giant afro and beard.
Speaker:Evan: I don't think that was her boyfriend, though. I don't think.
Speaker:Bill: Oh, he wasn't?
Speaker:Evan: I don't think so.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: No. Oh, I thought he was your boyfriend. No, because he wasn't dating the girl
Speaker:Bill and Joy: he was supposed to go with. He had been working on it for three weeks.
Speaker:Bill: Oh, okay. All right. I understood that. Okay.
Speaker:Evan: This is like a completely unrelated, just a random note. The guy who plays Chris,
Speaker:Evan: who I guess was Claire's boyfriend, who has that pretty sick fur coat, or just like super 70s.
Speaker:Evan: he was originally like he was going to be the
Speaker:Evan: uh peter character so like the the main sort of i guess villain but yeah the
Speaker:Evan: guy's but they yeah well i mean i think it was that they had already hired the
Speaker:Evan: other guy for that spot and he's like oh man like you know it's too late we
Speaker:Evan: already offered it to him because
Speaker:Evan: part of the rules for for these canadian films they have to have 60,
Speaker:Evan: canadian actors and then 40 could be american or whatever because you know i.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Mean funded by the Canadian government like that I mean that.
Speaker:Evan: Makes sense.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I mean they're they're providing jobs uh huh.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah, what do you think of the sort of the main character, Jess, like as her character?
Speaker:Evan: I mean, she was sort of like already kind of famous because she was in the 1968
Speaker:Evan: Romeo and Juliet and like got, was like a huge star in.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I knew I knew her.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah, and so that's why she, they like brought her in to sort of be the star
Speaker:Evan: of the movie. You know, like people that people knew at the time.
Speaker:Bill: I love the story as to how she got this.
Speaker:Evan: Oh, yeah, that's good.
Speaker:Bill: How she came to this.
Speaker:Evan: Go ahead, do tell it.
Speaker:Bill: She went to a psychic, and the psychic told her that she would make a movie
Speaker:Bill: in Canada that made a lot of money, and that's why she took the role, which is fucking wild.
Speaker:Evan: And she doesn't actually consider it to be, like, all the people who were in
Speaker:Evan: it at the time didn't think they were making, if they're making a good movie,
Speaker:Evan: but they didn't think they were making a movie that anyone would care about.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: It's such a cult classic.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah, like all of the people who are alive, for the most part,
Speaker:Evan: the actors, like do the circuit of, you know, horror conventions because most
Speaker:Evan: of them aren't successful actors.
Speaker:Evan: They weren't, you know, exactly successful. The only one in the movie,
Speaker:Evan: I think, that was became, I wouldn't call him successful, but people,
Speaker:Evan: he's in movies that people know, was John Saxon, who also wasn't supposed to be the cop.
Speaker:Evan: He took the role two days before the movie because the first person dropped
Speaker:Evan: out. And what's also interesting is that he is considered to be,
Speaker:Evan: he was in the first ever, like, Italian slasher, like, the Jello movie.
Speaker:Evan: And a lot of people call this the first American, or Canadian,
Speaker:Evan: the first North American slasher movie.
Speaker:Evan: So it's kind of, he has, like, a lot of interesting things to say about the movie.
Speaker:Evan: It's worth watching his interviews. He's kind of a weird dude.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I wanted to see something.
Speaker:Evan: He's also in Nightmare on Elm Street as the cop, too, so I guess he was kind
Speaker:Evan: of typecast as the doofus cop.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Because I...
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Okay, maybe y'all can help me because I suck at Googling things.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Is Officer Nash Frank from Gallagher or Frank Gallagher from Shameless?
Speaker:Evan: No, I don't think so.
Speaker:Bill: No, no. Wait.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Because I swear he reminded me of him.
Speaker:Bill: Do you mean which Shameless?
Speaker:Bill and Joy: The American Shameless.
Speaker:Bill: No.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: No?
Speaker:Evan: I haven't seen that, so I couldn't tell you.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: William H. Macy.
Speaker:Evan: Oh, okay. I see. The main character. I could have said that,
Speaker:Evan: yeah. I think that guy, the actor wasn't in much except for like some Bob Clark movies.
Speaker:Evan: He was in Porky's as the gym teacher.
Speaker:Evan: He was in some other like very small roles. I don't think he, he didn't do it to a ton.
Speaker:Bill: Yeah, he really, he has, he's not been in a lot.
Speaker:Evan: He was in the Twilight Zone.
Speaker:Bill: He was in the Twilight Zone movie. He was in the Rocketeer as like literally reporter number three.
Speaker:Bill: Like he, you know, he never made, he didn't make it big.
Speaker:Evan: You know what movie he was in? he was in john carpenter's ghost of mars which
Speaker:Evan: if people know that movie it's not that good.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I gotta say though um officer nash i really wish that the killer would have got.
Speaker:Evan: Him i did not like him i love i love his the when barb was like yes the new
Speaker:Evan: exchange is fellatio whatever the number was and he like didn't know what that
Speaker:Evan: meant and then the officers the other.
Speaker:Bill: Detective i that other His entire role in the entire movie is just to laugh
Speaker:Bill: at Officer Nash. That's his job.
Speaker:Bill: That's how he got cast. They were like, hey, do you want to come for a role?
Speaker:Bill: Your entire job is to laugh at this one guy. Just laugh at him. That's your job.
Speaker:Bill: That's all he does.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Solid job.
Speaker:Bill: Yeah. And he does a great job at it.
Speaker:Evan: I mean, that's on par on Brand for Cops, right?
Speaker:Bill: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Yeah, no, but like, and like the scene that he frustrated me throughout the
Speaker:Bill and Joy: entire movie, but the one that got me the worst was when he does literally the wrong thing.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: He is told, hey, just tell her, don't hang up the phone, just walk out the door,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: be calm, be cool, collected, immediately loses his cool.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Starts screaming at her that the killer is in the house. Bruh, bruh.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah, Google.
Speaker:Bill: He's not smart.
Speaker:Evan: Google 40% of cops and you can see why he did that. But he does utter the great
Speaker:Evan: line of, the call is coming from inside the house.
Speaker:Bill: Yeah.
Speaker:Evan: He had one job, he failed, but he gave us that line.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Valid. Was it worth it?
Speaker:Evan: Well.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: But at what cost?
Speaker:Evan: But it is sort of funny. He's continuously working this whole time and just
Speaker:Evan: botching everything. He doesn't understand jokes.
Speaker:Bill: He's bad at his job.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah. I also think it's absolutely hysterical the way they had to capture the,
Speaker:Evan: like, to trace the phone call, which I still don't quite understand.
Speaker:Evan: He's, like, running through the phone company place, like, looking for,
Speaker:Evan: like, things that are clicking. I don't.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I mean, it's also the 70s. That makes sense to me.
Speaker:Evan: I guess, yeah. And Canada.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: You know? Like, also, shout out to linemen.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: It's a hard job.
Speaker:Bill: I 100% I was just like, there is a lot of cardio for what I would imagine is a very technical job.
Speaker:Bill: Like this man is running for his life. I'm like,
Speaker:Bill: I want to know, I want to know the logistics behind all of that because that
Speaker:Bill: is, I got to be honest, I finished this movie and I'm like, now I want to research
Speaker:Bill: the way phones worked in 1974.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Because that's.
Speaker:Bill: A fucking what a giant room and you have to like physically go to this like thing like what the hell.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Is happening it makes sense though because like in like the up
Speaker:Bill and Joy: until like i want to say the early 60s they still had the women sitting there
Speaker:Bill and Joy: and like connecting the call the operator you know what i mean yeah yeah like
Speaker:Bill and Joy: manually so it makes sense that even though like okay yeah it's automated now
Speaker:Bill and Joy: uh you'd still it'd still be very much the same idea of like okay I got it started here.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: So over here now, it's like, trying to keep up. You know what I mean?
Speaker:Bill and Joy: It still shouldn't be that physically exhausting to trace a phone call.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Well, no, because think about it. He has to, he has to see all of them, right?
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Like which one started at this exact time?
Speaker:Evan: It was, I also love when they're asking them about.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: They ain't got a display board. No, because it's the seventies ward.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: They had display boards.
Speaker:Evan: I mean, the CIA would have had a much better way to trace the call.
Speaker:Bill: Yeah, obviously.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: They wouldn't use it to help people. See, that's the scene that should have
Speaker:Bill and Joy: happened is like he goes into like the actual like the main fucking phone company's
Speaker:Bill and Joy: room and goes, I can't fucking figure it out.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: And then runs down the hall to the CIA fucking annex that's built into the phone
Speaker:Bill and Joy: company and goes, ah, there it is. It's coming from inside the house.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Like he even has access.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: The security clearance is clear in there, but.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: It's already physically exhausting, apparently, to trace a phone call.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: He's already acting like he's so over it.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Yes, there's a sense of urgency, but he's more frustrated. Like,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I'm trying to do my job well.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Which I can understand. I appreciate
Speaker:Bill and Joy: professionalism. You want to do your job, you want to do it well.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: But, buddy, people are dying. You can have some empathy while you do it.
Speaker:Bill: I don't know. Honestly, I take it back.
Speaker:Bill: The boyfriend wasn't the only man worth a damn in the movie.
Speaker:Bill: The phone man actually did seem to care.
Speaker:Evan: He did. So this is unrelated to this movie, and we don't need to talk about them.
Speaker:Evan: I actually have not seen the remakes or the sequel, whatever they are.
Speaker:Evan: Are they worth watching?
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I really enjoyed the 2019 one.
Speaker:Evan: I've heard the 2006 one isn't good, but I haven't heard much about the newest one.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I haven't seen that one. The newest one, like I said in the beginning,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I wish I would have watched it after I watched the first one.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Because now what I can remember, because it's been a couple of years,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: now what I can remember of the 2016 one,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: i it clicks for me a lot better and
Speaker:Bill and Joy: it's not so much that they remade it they built off
Speaker:Bill and Joy: of it and made it their own okay interesting but if i remember correctly they
Speaker:Bill and Joy: still do a pretty good job of keeping true and trying to like give these characters
Speaker:Bill and Joy: autonomy um nobody gets dressed up in the stupid little sorority frilly like
Speaker:Bill and Joy: sexy outfits or anything like that like these women are women who are actively
Speaker:Bill and Joy: trying not to die you know i mean yeah.
Speaker:Evan: I think i just was looking the newest one the one from 2019 was directed by
Speaker:Evan: sophia takal and i don't know her that well but it's directed by a woman which
Speaker:Evan: i find interesting because some of the,
Speaker:Evan: better horror movies and satires about these kind of things you know come from
Speaker:Evan: women i think of american psycho or uh slumber party massacre directed by women
Speaker:Evan: so i could see why it would be better and she's from new jersey.
Speaker:Bill: Bill there you go all right all right okay for that from unclear i just.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Take that back.
Speaker:Bill: No i'll you know i'll let it pass um i
Speaker:Bill: uh i just the what the other
Speaker:Bill: thing that i found like kind of interesting about this
Speaker:Bill: in comparison to modern slashers is how like they don't know there being like
Speaker:Bill: the the the actual deaths are so buried like the this it really is it's,
Speaker:Bill: i wouldn't even call it a murder mystery it really is
Speaker:Bill: more of a thriller because we you
Speaker:Bill: don't find the characters don't find out anyone is
Speaker:Bill: dead until like the last the
Speaker:Bill: god fucking even into the third act true
Speaker:Bill: like they just think they're dealing with the possibility of claire being dead
Speaker:Bill: is never mentioned except for barb who says it in a drunken tangent yeah nobody
Speaker:Bill: ever even brings that up like but you see.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I feel as if that's portraying more of the character's hope in the situation
Speaker:Bill and Joy: because even after that 13 year that 13 year old is found like they still never
Speaker:Bill and Joy: bring it up I feel like that's that humanity that's coming out in the movie.
Speaker:Bill: Of
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I don't want to think this about my friend. I refuse to until I see her cold
Speaker:Bill and Joy: dead body. She's still alive. Right.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Which I thought was a really interesting element that they gave to the movie
Speaker:Bill and Joy: where they're not, there's still hope during it, which I think is part of the
Speaker:Bill and Joy: reason why I held that up so well, because you can feel there.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Yes, there's tension. There's worry. There's this, there's that.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: But there's still hope holding out, you know, until the very end where like
Speaker:Bill and Joy: just, and then like you get to see that character crumble right into her.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: like i don't want to call it a manic state that's not
Speaker:Bill and Joy: fair i would be manic anybody else would be finding two of
Speaker:Bill and Joy: your best friends dead in a bed together yeah right and
Speaker:Bill and Joy: even in that scene as well going back to it that scene he
Speaker:Bill and Joy: obviously poses them but the pose is not anything that is like outright inappropriate
Speaker:Bill and Joy: sexual anything like that it's there it's almost as if they're holding one another
Speaker:Bill and Joy: like an embrace that is just inherently just like you know affection yeah you
Speaker:Bill and Joy: know what i mean i thought that was a really interesting element but because.
Speaker:Evan: A lot of slasher movies modern slasher movies don't really have or i think of
Speaker:Evan: ones from the 80s even or you know the you know once scream came out like there
Speaker:Evan: isn't a lot of hope in those movies and.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Positivity you.
Speaker:Evan: Know like it's sort of just like everyone is just gonna die whereas in this
Speaker:Evan: like you don't really know and the characters don't really know.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I think bill it adds to your own suspense as well so whatever she does hit that
Speaker:Bill and Joy: point of like oh my god dude like finding them you're feeling it with her yeah.
Speaker:Bill: But i just thought it was really an interesting you know it's such an interesting
Speaker:Bill: take on it because it's so different from what we're used to it goes back to
Speaker:Bill: again it's like for a film that is considered like the progenitor of the slasher
Speaker:Bill: like this film like does not like it is barely there's no there's barely any gore,
Speaker:Bill: death is like not a topic like it really is that is a secondary concern.
Speaker:Evan: There's the only time you really hear about it's very interesting to me
Speaker:Evan: when barb is having sort of her little
Speaker:Evan: outburst with the father there and she sort of
Speaker:Evan: is like oh you're like all blaming me like you know you won't say this
Speaker:Evan: like i'm the one to blame other than that she's the harbinger and other than
Speaker:Evan: yeah she's other than that like there is no real assumption like even after
Speaker:Evan: what happened with the girl like they don't even again how is that dad so calm
Speaker:Evan: it's like dude seriously when even after they i'm.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Gonna say it again the massage.
Speaker:Evan: Even after they find like the girl's body which they
Speaker:Evan: also don't show you just hear like the shriek in the background like yeah again
Speaker:Evan: also just like this terrifying so another awesome thing is when a couple of
Speaker:Evan: the murders happen i think it's actually when barb is murdered and they have
Speaker:Evan: the kids outside caroling and they go like back and forth between like,
Speaker:Evan: you know, the stabbing and then like the kids singing.
Speaker:Evan: Like there's some amazing, you know, cuts in this movie that are just,
Speaker:Evan: I don't know, you just don't like get that kind of...
Speaker:Evan: You get lazy filmmaking from most horror movies.
Speaker:Bill: Yes.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: And I feel as if that just, like, disrespects the genre so much. And I love horror genre.
Speaker:Evan: You just get, like, these schlocky-ass films.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Yeah, dude. Like, freaking Art the Clown from, like, The Terrifier.
Speaker:Bill: God, I fucking hate those movies.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I hate those movies. And I have tried. I've tried so many times to watch them.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Like, there's no nothing to them.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: It's just gore. It's not even good gore.
Speaker:Bill: That is such, I mean, that is such a great thing to bring up because of those
Speaker:Bill: movies, all three of those movies are considered like cult classics of the genre
Speaker:Bill: in the contemporary genre.
Speaker:Bill: And you get people referencing especially
Speaker:Bill: the second one as a film that is more feminist and anti-misogynist and yet we
Speaker:Bill: take this movie from 1974 and compare the two and this is such a richer exploration
Speaker:Bill: of that and without that.
Speaker:Bill: descending into the really not even just descending but using gore and um shock
Speaker:Bill: value as a a cop-out for actually confronting such things because that those
Speaker:Bill: movies i mean like i find them utterly detestable.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: The scream movie that came out recently the one that had uh
Speaker:Bill and Joy: the girlfriend with jenny ortega in it not the one where they're
Speaker:Bill and Joy: in new york the one before that the remake yeah i
Speaker:Bill and Joy: thought yeah i thought that one did a much better job or at least even coming
Speaker:Bill and Joy: close to black christmas in regards to what you were just discussing bill than
Speaker:Bill and Joy: any of the terrifier movies because oh i cannot go on like i need to actually
Speaker:Bill and Joy: sit down and finally like finish one that's how bad it turns.
Speaker:Evan: Out also that the director writer damian leone is also a piece too so like it doesn't doesn't.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Doesn't help the.
Speaker:Evan: Case of the films being a feminist perception when he is a i don't think it's like he's.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: It's like when people touted rr uh yeah rr martin jr.
Speaker:Bill: George rr martin.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: George rr martin thank you sorry told you
Speaker:Bill and Joy: names but george rr martin whenever people were touting him as such a great
Speaker:Bill and Joy: feminist during like the whole game of thrones series it's like how this is
Speaker:Bill and Joy: what you consider feminism well like his main one of his main female characters
Speaker:Bill and Joy: gets sold basically sold into
Speaker:Bill and Joy: like into a marriage to somebody like okay i'm go ahead i want to hear it.
Speaker:Bill: This is not a valid criticism of george rr martin because george rr martin did
Speaker:Bill: not write those things in the books in the books that's not the way it happens
Speaker:Bill: the book is totally different.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: So i should be hating on the duffy brothers or whoever it was yes who is it i don't know whoever.
Speaker:Evan: It was Because they've ruined the whole thing, pretty much.
Speaker:Bill: Yeah. Okay. Okay. This is, like, George R.R.
Speaker:Bill: Martin has his problems, don't get me wrong, but, like, all of the,
Speaker:Bill: like, blatant, like, gross, violent misogyny is really...
Speaker:Bill: really the show not the.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Books and not from martin i'm
Speaker:Bill and Joy: still working on a lot of the books i'm not gonna lie i have so much
Speaker:Bill and Joy: stuff i'm reading right now but and so they're like my little like break
Speaker:Bill and Joy: from that but um yeah i'll give you that because like honestly like blood and
Speaker:Bill and Joy: fire whatever which one like the whole like prequel to the game of thrones series
Speaker:Bill and Joy: and all that uh that one yeah it was he was very like pro-feminist in that so
Speaker:Bill and Joy: maybe okay yeah i'll just hate i'll hate on the film all like the like.
Speaker:Evan: Disgusting uh like rape from the from the show is not in the books at all like
Speaker:Evan: all that stuff is just added just i think it's like well we don't need to go
Speaker:Evan: i mean i think it's the writers of the show wanting to really separate.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I think they were trying to make it exactly exactly.
Speaker:Bill: That's totally what it was.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Which goes right back into what we were discussing about the Terrifier as opposed
Speaker:Bill and Joy: to that Scream movie that I can't remember which one it is or Black Christmas
Speaker:Bill and Joy: in which it was for purely shock value and then you're touting it as being pro-feminist.
Speaker:Evan: If you haven't seen Slumber Party Massacre, the first one, not necessarily the
Speaker:Evan: sequels, I would highly recommend it.
Speaker:Evan: It was directed by and written by a woman and it is a very feminist,
Speaker:Evan: I would almost argue more of a feminist film than this one.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Okay. But you see, that's something about this one. it's not
Speaker:Bill and Joy: out like it wasn't until after like towards
Speaker:Bill and Joy: the end of the movie i'm like damn like they're they're they're here
Speaker:Bill and Joy: for the girlies i like this movie like it's not something that
Speaker:Bill and Joy: was outright which again like brings us back to like the whole like did
Speaker:Bill and Joy: he need to be political with this movie or it didn't just happen that
Speaker:Bill and Joy: way because of how well it was done yeah what do
Speaker:Bill and Joy: you guys think i mean i think it's just part of the whole like you know deciding
Speaker:Bill and Joy: that and yeah everything's political and having making the decision no we're
Speaker:Bill and Joy: gonna have like real characters that are like actual like intelligent characters
Speaker:Bill and Joy: not just fucking doofuses running around getting slashed up right also give.
Speaker:Evan: Canada like the thumbs up too because i don't think that an american director
Speaker:Evan: an american film company would make that movie in 1974.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I feel as i feel as if we like especially americans tend to sleep on canadian
Speaker:Bill and Joy: film and like canadian just like uh media in general they got some good stuff
Speaker:Bill and Joy: okay like every time i i watch a show and i'm like dang i'm hooked on this show. It's out of Canada.
Speaker:Bill: Talk about it.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I've actually been to canada and i had i've yet to meet a canadian who didn't say a boots
Speaker:Bill and Joy: i i uh i was in oh my god where was it oh it was in nova scotia we were in nova
Speaker:Bill and Joy: scotia and i was walking around i asked somebody's like hey do you know like
Speaker:Bill and Joy: where like where the nearest bar is bud he goes yeah it's a boot to that uh
Speaker:Bill and Joy: whatever whatever that way some kilometers i'm like ah Ah,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I love you. Say it again.
Speaker:Evan: There are a lot of great Canadian shows.
Speaker:Bill: There are a lot of, yeah.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Yes, and movies as well.
Speaker:Bill: The sci-fi series Continuum is really good. That's a Canadian show.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah, blanking on like, well, I mean, as far as like comedy goes,
Speaker:Evan: like from the 90s, or I guess it was the 90s, Kids in the Hall,
Speaker:Evan: I always liked that show.
Speaker:Bill: Or we could just talk about Letterkenny.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Yeah, I was going to say Letterkenny. Come on. It's like right there.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: To be fair. uh we walk the kids
Speaker:Bill and Joy: together to school and she's canadian and she's actually from the town where
Speaker:Bill and Joy: letter kenny is filmed in and has the accent and everything and i remember when
Speaker:Bill and Joy: i first met her i'm like are you from the south because something something
Speaker:Bill and Joy: it's so it's kind of southern but i there's something about it she goes oh no
Speaker:Bill and Joy: and she told me that i'm like oh my god,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: oh can you say let's get at her does she talk about the shmillies no she doesn't
Speaker:Bill and Joy: she's actually really she's a she's a really sweet lady i really like her but
Speaker:Bill and Joy: uh yeah no it was just like fun fact i'm like oh my god and she says a boot
Speaker:Bill and Joy: and i'm like oh my god i love canada.
Speaker:Evan: It's funny, like, when you go to the Wikipedia page for a lot of horror movies,
Speaker:Evan: it'll have, you know, themes and things, like, from the movie.
Speaker:Evan: There's none of that in the one for this movie, which kind of surprises me.
Speaker:Evan: Like, if you, like, go online, like, look for, you know, people who've written about these.
Speaker:Evan: Even film critics at the time panned this movie.
Speaker:Evan: And then there's actually an interview in, like, this bonus feature on the Blu-ray
Speaker:Evan: where it's, I think it's, like, 30 years later, they're interviewing a bunch
Speaker:Evan: of people about the legacy.
Speaker:Evan: and all these critics are like yeah i watched it back then i didn't like it
Speaker:Evan: and then i watched it 10 years later i'm like oh man what the hell was i thinking
Speaker:Evan: and i think people just like didn't,
Speaker:Evan: view it as a good movie at the time just simply dismissing it as a crappy slasher
Speaker:Evan: movie and then when they actually watched it with you know even a tiny bit of
Speaker:Evan: critical thought like they could see it's a good well-made movie the characters
Speaker:Evan: are believable you know everything about it.
Speaker:Bill: I i genuinely think that has to
Speaker:Bill: has to be like that this because
Speaker:Bill: to go back to the very first thing that like joy
Speaker:Bill: warden i also like this isn't a slasher film this
Speaker:Bill: is it's a thriller and like i really
Speaker:Bill: feel like it was almost like they didn't know what to make of
Speaker:Bill: it because it's such a nascent it's it's the nascent like origin of the slasher
Speaker:Bill: film it has like the elements to it but then partnered with it is that like
Speaker:Bill: real like hardcore just like it's a thriller and it's like where are you going
Speaker:Bill: with this and i i really just think it's like so distinct.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah compared.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: To other thrillers yeah.
Speaker:Evan: Like the all of the the characters uh the
Speaker:Evan: the interviews one the one with lynn griffin who plays claire and then the guy
Speaker:Evan: who played chris uh art hindle there are a lot of interviews with them they're
Speaker:Evan: not the most interesting people to be honest the interviews are a little bit
Speaker:Evan: dry but they have like really good insights where they all are like this movie
Speaker:Evan: was one of them actually think they say that they miss um
Speaker:Evan: they didn't know how to market the movie either and i think that maybe goes
Speaker:Evan: to the same point as they wanted to be like an american horror movie but it
Speaker:Evan: wasn't you know it's more of a psychological thriller as i think what you're
Speaker:Evan: saying which i think is reasonable i.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Would call it more like i would call it more like the like a granddaddy like
Speaker:Bill and Joy: or grandmommy say uh of like a psych thriller i could get.
Speaker:Evan: With that a lot of movies you know took things from
Speaker:Evan: this like i don't know if you've my bloody valentine like the the
Speaker:Evan: premise of the movie is the character like literally hides in
Speaker:Evan: sort of a crevice by crawling in with a pov view and he claimed i can't think
Speaker:Evan: of the directors now but he said later on that he didn't consciously try and
Speaker:Evan: copy this movie he just sort of like that seemed like the right thing to do
Speaker:Evan: and then he in retrospect's like yeah that was bob clark's idea i think a lot of movies use this the.
Speaker:Bill: Person hiding in the attic is one of the most terrifying not not urban legends
Speaker:Bill: real stories that happen real yeah it's so terrifying truly terrifying i.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Kept thinking about that the entire time and i was like this shit really happens.
Speaker:Bill: Yeah like i literally like the i felt tension and you know like it made me feel
Speaker:Bill: like i find three-story houses creepy.
Speaker:Evan: Because when.
Speaker:Bill: You're on the ground floor there's like two stories yeah two stories above you
Speaker:Bill: is something that you are like totally removed from and you don't know what the fuck is happening i.
Speaker:Evan: Mean they couldn't find the fucking bodies up there going on like anything.
Speaker:Bill: Could be going on up there in the third floor and that house the way they shot
Speaker:Bill: it they made it feel like a labyrinth oh yeah.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah i mean you're right it.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Doesn't feel like a nice open floor plan at all no i think it honestly though
Speaker:Bill and Joy: i think it adds to the suspense as well though because you don't know Well,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: there you are the entire time.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I kept wondering, like, how have they not found that body yet?
Speaker:Evan: Yeah. I mean...
Speaker:Evan: So I guess it's actually four floors if you include the attic then,
Speaker:Evan: Bill, right? And then plus the basement. I mean, it's a pretty – I.
Speaker:Bill: Don't – no.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: That's too many floors.
Speaker:Bill: I don't include attics and basements as floors.
Speaker:Evan: Okay, fine.
Speaker:Bill: They're extraneous and they make it even creepier, but they're not floors.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: What if it's a finished basement?
Speaker:Bill: I live in a finished basement? Don't make me believe I live in a three-story house, okay?
Speaker:Bill: Okay? Could you not do that? That'd be great.
Speaker:Evan: The basement is super creepy. The basement is super creepy in this,
Speaker:Evan: though, when she goes down there.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Yes.
Speaker:Evan: Obviously, there's never a moment where I think the audience watching thinks
Speaker:Evan: that it's Peter who did it because he's not really there doing it.
Speaker:Evan: He's clearly not there doing it. But in some ways, you're like,
Speaker:Evan: just like the way the cops assume that it's him, I think you're kind of given
Speaker:Evan: in that last scene, like, could, is he capable of doing this?
Speaker:Evan: Like, you know, he's this violent guy.
Speaker:Bill: Yes, I do think he's capable.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: For a half a minute, I did think it was, I did think it was,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I could call him Patrick, I'm sorry, Peter.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I did think it was Peter, but I didn't think Peter was the one making the phone calls.
Speaker:Evan: But then you see the phone call, hear the phone, like the phone ringing as the
Speaker:Evan: credits are rolling is so creepy.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I still think Peter was the killer because you're going to blame your girlfriend's
Speaker:Bill and Joy: girls, right? Time on, time on her tradition.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Said sarcastically. I do think
Speaker:Bill and Joy: that he was the killer. Although it doesn't explain Claire or Mrs. Mac.
Speaker:Bill: He's not the killer. I'm sorry, Joy. He's 100% not the killer.
Speaker:Bill: He's a terrible person. he's a terrible person but he's not that doesn't.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Make him a killer makes him a piece of shit it would make me happy yeah.
Speaker:Evan: Like and that's also.
Speaker:Bill: What makes the that's the fact that he's not i'm not being fair the fact that
Speaker:Bill: he's not the killer i feel like actually lends credence like everything because first of all it's it.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Gives us an opportunity to shit on the cops again.
Speaker:Bill: Well yes but also like it's the fact that like you don't have to be,
Speaker:Bill: in this society of like misogyny, like the very fact that he behaves in that
Speaker:Bill: way is what makes her ultimately more unsafe.
Speaker:Bill: He is contributing to the deaths of those girls through his behavior because,
Speaker:Bill: he makes an, you know, broader out from that, that behavior at large makes everyone unsafe.
Speaker:Bill: Like he is indicative of a systemic problem.
Speaker:Bill: He is definitely like a bad guy.
Speaker:Bill: he's not the actual killer and like we know that because of like his location at times.
Speaker:Evan: And she also says that well i mean the way out they try to imply too that he
Speaker:Evan: could be the killer but isn't the person making the phone calls right because
Speaker:Evan: he's there during one of the phone calls yes.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Yeah that's why i said maybe he's not the person making the phone calls but
Speaker:Bill and Joy: he could be a little bit of two-man action but no bill's right i will i will see.
Speaker:Evan: I just i movies horror movies
Speaker:Evan: where they don't catch the killer i think are always just that much
Speaker:Evan: creepier because i mean i guess it's a little different today like oh yeah they're
Speaker:Evan: going to make 17 more sequels because they didn't you know catch the killer
Speaker:Evan: but at the time i don't think that people didn't think that way just like oh
Speaker:Evan: man this guy who's creeping in a basement he's just going to go to a different
Speaker:Evan: or attic he's going to go to a different attic and you know kill a bunch of
Speaker:Evan: more people and he's clearly very strong that was.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I feel like that's part of the appeal of the movie even now is because
Speaker:Bill and Joy: like you have to use your imagination it's a movie
Speaker:Bill and Joy: that you watch with your friends and then you sit there and you talk and you think
Speaker:Bill and Joy: about it it's a conversation starter right there's so
Speaker:Bill and Joy: obviously there's so much to talk about in this movie past critiques
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I mean we were talking about who we think it was and all this stuff like I feel
Speaker:Bill and Joy: as if the whole sequels thing sequel on sequel on sequel until you finally catch
Speaker:Bill and Joy: the killer right it's it's not it doesn't contribute anything you're just waiting
Speaker:Bill and Joy: for the sequel to come out and then going on TikTok and being like I really
Speaker:Bill and Joy: hope they cast this person yeah.
Speaker:Evan: I think that's why it's so great that Bob clark was like i would never make
Speaker:Evan: a sequel to this and then you know he gives the idea and then it becomes spawns
Speaker:Evan: a film that creates like 13 movies and not all by john carpenter obviously but
Speaker:Evan: you know yeah a franchise that just,
Speaker:Evan: may have ended we'll see.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Just because like um we haven't talked about it yet but the scene where the
Speaker:Bill and Joy: one of the one of the guys gets shot in the butt with a birdshot by the farmer,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: like i don't and the farmer's like i don't care if it's a church party i don't
Speaker:Bill and Joy: care if he's a cop i'm gonna shove
Speaker:Bill and Joy: it in sideways if i need to don't be trespassing on my land i'll shove.
Speaker:Bill: It in sideways.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: That whole.
Speaker:Bill: Thing was great.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: And it was such a it's such a ran and it
Speaker:Bill and Joy: shouldn't be in the movie but it and it doesn't necessarily add
Speaker:Bill and Joy: to the movie but it adds to the movie because it's like a weird like
Speaker:Bill and Joy: shock giggle that you get and also the fact that they like totally it lightened
Speaker:Bill and Joy: the mood for everybody at the police station because obviously the lieutenant
Speaker:Bill and Joy: is like not freaking out but definitely like you know furring his brow like
Speaker:Bill and Joy: okay what is going on here when they're talking about it and then here comes
Speaker:Bill and Joy: this guy with birdshot in his ass and it's like alright,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: this is hilarious okay but then you get into like that like,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: the climax of the film is like oh shit like
Speaker:Bill and Joy: it takes you by surprise I wonder if they did that on purpose or if they were
Speaker:Bill and Joy: just trying to get that laugh or if they wanted to find a way to like work that
Speaker:Bill and Joy: laugh in at such a pivotal moment you know what I mean to like really catch
Speaker:Bill and Joy: you by surprise and add to that like what you're feeling whenever you watch
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Jess of just like the anxiety of it all.
Speaker:Bill: Yeah. She is a bundle of nerves.
Speaker:Bill: I mean, except when she isn't like when she, which is, which is actually,
Speaker:Bill: I feel like a real like point for like the, like the feminist notion of the
Speaker:Bill: movie, like to go back long ago to, we talked about the abortion.
Speaker:Bill: That is like such, it's like not the plot of the movie, but it's so important.
Speaker:Bill: And it's such like an important thing for the time because like when she sits
Speaker:Bill: down to talk to Peter about that. She is sure of herself.
Speaker:Bill: She knows her decision. She is not quivering.
Speaker:Bill: She's not quivering. She's not wavering. She knows what she wants.
Speaker:Bill: And not only that, they don't make the argument for like why they don't stick
Speaker:Bill: around. They don't, they don't cop out.
Speaker:Bill: She says, I don't want a kid because I have hopes and dreams.
Speaker:Bill: Not like we don't have the money or we're not married or blah blah blah no i
Speaker:Bill: want to travel i want to learn things i want to do things that's what she says.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: And it's a totally fucking valid point to
Speaker:Bill and Joy: make 100 and as somebody who was
Speaker:Bill and Joy: wasting his time at a music conservatory when he wasn't terrible okay should
Speaker:Bill and Joy: understand that and totally disregards everything that he just told her and
Speaker:Bill and Joy: i don't i correct me if him wrong he never once actually tells her like i love
Speaker:Bill and Joy: you i want to be no he does he says i love.
Speaker:Bill: You to her over the phone and she goes i know.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: It's so great,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: It's great when somebody else does it, but when I do it to you,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: you get mad. That's rude and inconsiderate.
Speaker:Bill: Straight up busted out laughing when she did that.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Oh, God. But even then, though, it doesn't feel – you're jogging my memory now.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: It didn't feel like he was – he said it in a pleading way.
Speaker:Bill: Oh, yeah, no.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Not in an honest way. That was totally toxic.
Speaker:Evan: I love you.
Speaker:Bill: Absolutely. That was not a genuine I love you.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: But and it's but it
Speaker:Bill and Joy: does tie in very well with the whole like she's
Speaker:Bill and Joy: anxious until she's not yeah and speaking
Speaker:Bill and Joy: to the you know these are humans these are mature adults these
Speaker:Bill and Joy: are not goofballs who are getting themselves killed you know
Speaker:Bill and Joy: what i mean and i really like the way in
Speaker:Bill and Joy: the end whenever she takes that fire poker to her mans
Speaker:Bill and Joy: you know uh because honestly and
Speaker:Bill and Joy: no because it's a valid thing because i'm sure there
Speaker:Bill and Joy: are people watching that movie it's like well she could see it was him and like
Speaker:Bill and Joy: blah blah whatever and all this it couldn't be him and she knows that it's like
Speaker:Bill and Joy: okay fight or flight yeah you don't know what you would do you don't know she
Speaker:Bill and Joy: could have had a if one thing would have been different maybe she would have
Speaker:Bill and Joy: had a different response,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: but let's look at the facts here right not to mention he also like he threatened
Speaker:Bill and Joy: her he threatened her hard over the phone is was it over the phone he called her yeah.
Speaker:Bill: It was over the phone yeah.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Yeah yeah over the phone as well which is already like something that is so
Speaker:Bill and Joy: stress inducing for what she's been dealing with yeah dude it's weird.
Speaker:Evan: He's like breaking he's like breaking the glass down there too like in the basement like he's he's.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Acting super aggressive i feel as if they if we were gonna say that this movie
Speaker:Bill and Joy: like seeing it from like you know a political standpoint or not even a political
Speaker:Bill and Joy: standpoint but just a standpoint as a female of a dude but i was dating decided
Speaker:Bill and Joy: that he first of all we just had a huge fight he's not listening to me,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I'm already trying to break up with him and he breaks a fucking window.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Hell yeah. I'm swinging. That's not safe.
Speaker:Bill: Yeah.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: That is somebody who's not thinking correctly. Yeah.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: you know what i mean.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah like.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I don't find i didn't find her actions to be manic whatsoever.
Speaker:Evan: No like there's like the question at the end like oh like the i think the press
Speaker:Evan: is like you know is she gonna be charged or like is she gonna be at fault and like no self-defense.
Speaker:Bill: Yeah heck.
Speaker:Evan: No she's good.
Speaker:Bill: She's good can.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: You tell i really like this movie yeah.
Speaker:Evan: It's one of.
Speaker:Bill: Yeah it's good i really again like
Speaker:Bill: you know this isn't the kind of movie like i'm gonna like revisit but
Speaker:Bill: it is like from a
Speaker:Bill: like a like a movie enjoy like you know a person
Speaker:Bill: who enjoys movies and like history and like edison as a former english major
Speaker:Bill: dropout um there's just so much to this movie and it's like you can really see
Speaker:Bill: like the seeds of things and it's it's an interesting it's a fascinating like
Speaker:Bill: just like intellectual like piece to like watch nah.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I absolutely agree that's how i really felt about it it was like yeah i don't
Speaker:Bill and Joy: know if i'm gonna re-watch this a whole lot but watching it And like knowing
Speaker:Bill and Joy: that, oh, it was like the impetus and like the inspiration for a lot of things.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: But seeing how like markedly distinct it is compared to the rest of the genre,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: just fascinating. It was incredible.
Speaker:Evan: I, on the other hand, watch this movie like once a year or so.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: This might mean to go into the christmas rotation i can make it happen like
Speaker:Bill and Joy: yeah but what still pisses me off is you could see her from that.
Speaker:Evan: Window,
Speaker:Evan: this is one i'll like leave one final fact is the person
Speaker:Evan: who plays uh claire she's
Speaker:Evan: the one who dies first during her interview or
Speaker:Evan: during her like when she was interviewing for the role she said
Speaker:Evan: that part of her past was being a swimmer and that
Speaker:Evan: she could hold her breath for a really long time so that led
Speaker:Evan: her to be able to do the stunt with her with the
Speaker:Evan: bag over her head because she could actually hold her breath all the time and
Speaker:Evan: the scene where she's in the rocking chair with like the bags over
Speaker:Evan: her head bob clark is actually making the rocking
Speaker:Evan: chair move with his foot while while they're filming it
Speaker:Evan: and they throw the cat on her several times to try and get the cat like doing
Speaker:Evan: the perfect shot they just throw the cat on her like maybe it'll do it do it
Speaker:Evan: where you know do a good job it's not the cat from uh girl who walks alone at
Speaker:Evan: night but you know no it's not Not the Marlon Brando of cats.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: But he was a beautiful cat.
Speaker:Bill: Very beautiful cat.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: That's incredible that she could hold her breath for so long.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Because honestly, I thought I was like, maybe they got like a stand-in.
Speaker:Evan: She wanted to do the stunt herself.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Because I'm not going to lie, she's sitting in that rocking chair.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I stared at that fucking bag looking for it to move.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I was like, is that a person in there? Is that a person in there?
Speaker:Bill: I was like.
Speaker:Evan: She was good at holding her She was also good at not blinking,
Speaker:Evan: being able to just be still So those are all her shots That's creepy.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I love that You know what?
Speaker:Evan: When she goes to horror conventions she brings the bag out when people don't
Speaker:Evan: recognize her Oh my god It's a little bit over the top.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: That's amazing It's better than the CGI shit we have to deal with now out.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: The third Terrifier movie, all the gore was basically CGI. It was terrible.
Speaker:Evan: You're saying, though, I have to watch the two, the new ones,
Speaker:Evan: but in order? Do you have to watch them as?
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I haven't seen the one from, what was it? 2019. 2006.
Speaker:Evan: Oh, 2006.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: No, I didn't watch the 2006 one. Interesting.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: But watch this one and then watch the 2019 one. If I remember correctly,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: you're going to really appreciate the 2019 one a lot.
Speaker:Evan: I'm a sequel hater, so I'll.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: It's not really a sequel. Well, it's a bow. It's a bow to the original.
Speaker:Evan: Okay.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: In a remake.
Speaker:Bill: I downloaded the 2019 one, but I have not watched it.
Speaker:Evan: That makes my job a lot easier.
Speaker:Bill: I thought you were talking about the Terrifier first, and I was like...
Speaker:Evan: No, no, no. I've seen all the Terrifiers, but...
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Good for you, bud. Bless you.
Speaker:Bill: Yeah, I watched the first one, and I was like, I hated everything about this.
Speaker:Bill: I'm like, I'm never going to... I don't want to watch this. And I watched The
Speaker:Bill: Sadness, and I was like, that's a good movie.
Speaker:Bill: And I watched The Terrifier, and I watched The Terrifier, and I was like,
Speaker:Bill: this is trash and i fucking hate this.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Because the gore adds to the story okay the story yeah.
Speaker:Evan: Have you seen audition any of you.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: No i'd recommend that no japanese horror movie really good any.
Speaker:Evan: Last uh christmas uh thoughts for this christmas season.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: What was the what was the house lady's name miss mack or whatever miss mack
Speaker:Bill and Joy: miss mack yeah i i liked how she hid all her booze,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: in very ingenious ways i had love for miss mack honestly i would love a movie
Speaker:Bill and Joy: about miss mack's life how do you go from momville to like sorority mom here's.
Speaker:Bill: The thing the way she hid the booze she hid it as if like she wasn't supposed
Speaker:Bill: to have it and they were drinking like they had.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Booze in the house.
Speaker:Bill: Maybe she's not supposed to do it.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: You can assume that in order for her employment, right? She's supposed to be the model.
Speaker:Bill: Did she think the girls were going to tell on her? Come on.
Speaker:Evan: It's fair, but I think the idea is she's supposed to be the sober one, but she like...
Speaker:Bill and Joy: They should see her as an adult figure who they respect and all that.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: See, I couldn't figure it out either, so I immediately rewrote the headcanon for me.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: It's fine that she drinks, but those are her own special stash bottles.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: They're all the same bottles.
Speaker:Bill: They are.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: It's like she doesn't want to share that with the girl. I'm not a fan of Sherry,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: but I kept making you want to try it. Like that specific Sherry.
Speaker:Bill: Which is also, like, that to me is, like, wild. Just the idea of,
Speaker:Bill: like, that's the side of an alcoholic.
Speaker:Bill: Like, you're just drinking straight hard liquor straight from the bottle.
Speaker:Bill: Like, not even, like, expensive bourbon. Just sherry.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Look, we've all been there, but...
Speaker:Bill and Joy: There's been times.
Speaker:Bill: Like that was wild to me. I'm like, she's just, she's just pulling bottles of
Speaker:Bill: sugar from the toilet tank. That's fucking wild.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Oh, this string tied to it. So for easy retrieval, it's so beautiful.
Speaker:Bill: Oh man.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I was taking notes.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Evan, what are your final thoughts for black?
Speaker:Evan: I mean, I don't know if I have any, I mean, I guess I feel like everything I've
Speaker:Evan: said, I mean, I think it's just a,
Speaker:Evan: I've come to now not think of it as a slasher movie,
Speaker:Evan: even though like in my head canon it is because it influenced
Speaker:Evan: slasher movies so by definition it has to be one
Speaker:Evan: but i guess you're right that it could just be thriller you
Speaker:Evan: know psychological thriller more in
Speaker:Evan: the vein of psycho than the things that came after especially given the fact
Speaker:Evan: that it sort of it wasn't anything it was just a horror movie you know you could
Speaker:Evan: just call whatever it is and i don't know this is like in my this is in my top
Speaker:Evan: two or three if i want to broadly call like slasher movies if you're going to
Speaker:Evan: call it one like this is in my top.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: It's a good place for it.
Speaker:Evan: Halloween and then my torso for me.
Speaker:Bill: I can see that I think it's a you know it's an interesting movie it's a really
Speaker:Bill: good movie you know from like a an analysis point of view.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: This one was a lot easier than Friday the 13th was.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah. I mean, it's a much better movie. I mean, it's not even.
Speaker:Bill: But Bill Maher isn't in it.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: All right. All right.
Speaker:Evan: Bill Maher is canceled, although he's not actually canceled.
Speaker:Bill: God, he should be. Why is he not canceled? Why is he still on TV?
Speaker:Bill: Because cancel culture doesn't exist.
Speaker:Bill: He's so bad.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I mean, so is Nick Cage. And look at him.
Speaker:Bill: But Nick Cage isn't a bad person or obviously like an active like fed op.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Okay, that's fair. I thought we were talking purely on acting skills.
Speaker:Evan: I love Nick Cage.
Speaker:Bill: No, no.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Really?
Speaker:Bill: I'm talking about as a human being.
Speaker:Evan: I also like Nick Cage.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I had a friend. And they would defend Nick Cage because that,
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I guess, old Nicky boy practices a very specific acting style.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: And it's basically like, it's some Japanese acting style that is just supposed
Speaker:Bill and Joy: to be over the top and insane. I'm like, that's good.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Maybe he could branch out a little bit.
Speaker:Evan: You should watch Bad Lieutenant. It's a great movie.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Oh, God.
Speaker:Bill: Well, see, the thing is.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Oh, I'll take your word for it.
Speaker:Evan: Nick Cage.
Speaker:Bill: The thing is that Nick Cage is either. Nick Cage can be either terrible.
Speaker:Bill: Terrible, like, C-movie-level shit acting, or really good.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Con Air. Yeah. Do you think Las Vegas?
Speaker:Bill: Yeah. He's either Adaptation Pig or Con Air.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: You want to know something really messed up as I'm talking shit about Nick Cage?
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Con Air is my favorite bad movie of all time. It's a fun bad movie.
Speaker:Bill: It is.
Speaker:Evan: I mean, I think in some ways, probably it's also like the roles he's taking.
Speaker:Evan: I mean, he's taken just some bad roles, you know, like movies that just,
Speaker:Evan: I don't know who, you know, it just is a shitty role.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah, he's been in some badass bad movies. what's the one where he's like the
Speaker:Evan: biker Knight Rider or whatever Ghost Rider that is fucking horrible he's.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: The biker he was the best actor in.
Speaker:Evan: That whole movie that's not saying a lot yeah.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: We're just saying something Ghost Rider and that's because Eva Mendes was in it and I love her.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah okay.
Speaker:Bill: But she's not bringing acting chops generally that's not what she's bringing to the.
Speaker:Evan: Screen well we'll have to we'll cover every we'll do it we'll do a series on
Speaker:Evan: every nick cage movie we'll be here until uh the next millennium we'd.
Speaker:Bill: Be fucking yeah seriously.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: That is we just turned this into a nick cage.
Speaker:Evan: You know what's funny is i was actually talking to someone that's torture i would do it.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: A marx's nick's cage.
Speaker:Evan: The problem the problem with doing i think we talked about like if you did like
Speaker:Evan: an x-files podcast the problem with those kinds of shows is you just get so
Speaker:Evan: sick of the thing you're doing after a long time even if it's interesting you
Speaker:Evan: know it's like you're stuck on that forever we had a gareth edwards series but
Speaker:Evan: there's only like six of them and you can do them slowly yeah.
Speaker:Bill: Or you end up like the guy that does i hate bill maher which is he's just gonna go crazy.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah yeah.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: You gotta end up on a.
Speaker:Evan: List yeah.
Speaker:Bill: That's gonna go insane.
Speaker:Evan: Yeah i don't know i i can't watch bill maher for more than 12 seconds i can't
Speaker:Evan: believe he just watches him for his like his podcast my heart goes out to him.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: It's like ward and his tiktok algorithm them.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Oh, my goodness. It gets stuck in a loop and just like the most random things.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: I'll hear the same song play for like 30 minutes.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: And it's all different TikToks, but it's the same song. Yeah, it's all that trend.
Speaker:Bill: It's all that trend shit.
Speaker:Evan: Oh, awesome. Well, Joy, thank you for joining us this.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Thank you for having me and letting me share my opinions. I have so many.
Speaker:Evan: Anytime.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: It was great having you.
Speaker:Evan: And bill and ward that was.
Speaker:Bill: A shout.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Out to it.
Speaker:Bill: And ward ward uh how how do you and you you enjoy you just you're strangers
Speaker:Bill: to each other correct absolute.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Strangers on the same microphone no we're married 11 years 10 years married 11 years together.
Speaker:Bill: It just reminds me of our our you know our competition how did this get made
Speaker:Bill: and how um uh june and paul every every episode open up oh and uh how are you
Speaker:Bill: june i'm doing very well paul thank you as if they've never met before and don't know each other it's.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Beautiful i love that.
Speaker:Evan: Amazing well uh you've all been listening to left injector with myself and bill
Speaker:Evan: and ward and we'll catch you next time.
Speaker:Bill: Also joy oh yeah joy have a good night everybody see you next time i'm.
Speaker:Bill and Joy: Not important good night.
